Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-11 Thread Evan Hunt
Does this mean: A: All implementations that conform to this document should prefer the NTA over the positive anchor in such a case, or B: This is implementation-dependent, but if an implementation allows the coexistence of positive and negative anchors, it should prefer the NTA,

[DNSOP] A comparison of IANA Considerations for .onion

2015-05-11 Thread hellekin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Since Alec Muffett seems to have better things to do, I feel obligated to do what he should have done before publishing his draft: comparing the IANA Considerations for .onion in the draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-04 (P2PNames) and

Re: [DNSOP] A comparison of IANA Considerations for .onion

2015-05-11 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Hi there, On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 06:15:47PM -0300, hellekin wrote: draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-01 came as way to fast-track the processing of .onion special-use TLD, as the P2PNames draft was considered too controversial (and maybe too complicated?). As one of the people who has

Re: [DNSOP] A comparison of IANA Considerations for .onion

2015-05-11 Thread Richard Barnes
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Alec Muffett al...@fb.com wrote: Hi Hellekin! Since Alec Muffett seems to have better things to do I'm sorry if you've been waiting for my input - I am not the primary author of the document; Jacob Appelbaum's name is in the document's title for a good

Re: [DNSOP] A comparison of IANA Considerations for .onion

2015-05-11 Thread hellekin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/11/2015 08:21 PM, Alec Muffett wrote: This might be an issue so long as your threat model includes blindly unaware users who are typing .onion addresses into non-Tor-capable browsers in the (presumably first-time) expectation that it will

Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special Use Names: some reading material

2015-05-11 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 08:10:41PM -0700, Paul Hoffman wrote: - Will the IETF require some specific metrics for RFC 6761 reservations? - If yes, what are those metrics? - If no, who makes the non-specific decision? Increasingly it strikes me that RFC 6761 is trying to do too much.

Re: [DNSOP] A comparison of IANA Considerations for .onion

2015-05-11 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 09:29:02PM -0300, hellekin wrote: *** How can you fail to see that P2PNames says Users can use these names as they would other domain names, while OnionTLD says they cannot ? I think people can see that, and they disagree with you. If you put an onion name into an

Re: [DNSOP] A comparison of IANA Considerations for .onion

2015-05-11 Thread Alec Muffett
Hi Hellekin! Since Alec Muffett seems to have better things to do I'm sorry if you've been waiting for my input - I am not the primary author of the document; Jacob Appelbaum's name is in the document's title for a good reason, and my involvement has been one of tuning a few paragraphs,

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-11 Thread 神明達哉
At Sat, 9 May 2015 15:08:11 +0200, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: 1. In my very original comment on this matter: www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsop/current/msg12614.html I noted one other corner case, which we might also want to clarify: On a related note, there are

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-11 Thread Bob Harold
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:10 PM, 神明達哉 jin...@wide.ad.jp wrote: At Sat, 9 May 2015 18:50:28 +, Evan Hunt e...@isc.org wrote: Actually, weirdly enough, after I implemented NTA's in BIND, one of the very first applications somebody came up with for them was to temporarily disable

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-11 Thread Evan Hunt
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:19:19PM -0400, Bob Harold wrote: I am not even sure there is a good reason for a warning. In BIND, NTA's are set by an rndc command, but in other implementations they might be set up in a config file. If you have both a TA and an NTA for the same node in the same

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-11 Thread 神明達哉
At Sat, 9 May 2015 18:50:28 +, Evan Hunt e...@isc.org wrote: Actually, weirdly enough, after I implemented NTA's in BIND, one of the very first applications somebody came up with for them was to temporarily disable DNSSEC validation by setting an NTA for .. This was seen as better than