Re: [DNSOP] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-08: (with COMMENT)

2015-12-27 Thread John R Levine
i'm ok with that part, but not this part: This behavior causes a variety of problems, such as invalid negative answers, that are so severe that it is unreasonable to expect clients to interoperate with them reliably and so there is no point in trying to work around them. "For i

Re: [DNSOP] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-08: (with COMMENT)

2015-12-27 Thread Paul Vixie
On Monday, December 28, 2015 04:40:20 AM John Levine wrote: > >> NEW > >> > >>For instance, some authoritative name servers embedded in load > >>balancers reply properly to A queries but send REFUSED to NS queries. > >>This behaviour violates the DNS protocol (see Section ??? of [RFC??

Re: [DNSOP] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-08: (with COMMENT)

2015-12-27 Thread John Levine
>> NEW >>For instance, some authoritative name servers embedded in load >>balancers reply properly to A queries but send REFUSED to NS queries. >>This behaviour violates the DNS protocol (see Section ??? of [RFC??], >>and improvements to the DNS are impeded if we accept such behavio

Re: [DNSOP] Refusing NS queries, was Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-08: (with COMMENT)

2015-12-27 Thread John Levine
>> Unless, of course, the target doesn't like you and refuses your >> queries for policy reasons. > >Note that I said "unconditionally refusing all NS queries". Conditionally >refusing queries based on query source behaviour is off-topic. Perhaps the target doesn't like anyone. Here's the entire

Re: [DNSOP] Refusing NS queries, was Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-08: (with COMMENT)

2015-12-27 Thread Paul Vixie
On Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:31:52 PM Paul Wouters wrote: > The section in question of the draft under discussion talks about the > specific case where a load balancer is returning REFUSED because it > did not implement NS queries, and that such behaviour is a violation > of the RFC. strictly s

Re: [DNSOP] Refusing NS queries, was Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-08: (with COMMENT)

2015-12-27 Thread Shumon Huque
On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 10:31 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Sun, 28 Dec 2015, John Levine wrote: > > Being listed as nameserver while unconditionally refusing all NS queries >>> leads to a guaranteed failure with DNSSEC as there would not be a signed >>> NS RRset published anywhere. >>> >> >> Yes,

Re: [DNSOP] Refusing NS queries, was Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-08: (with COMMENT)

2015-12-27 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sun, 28 Dec 2015, John Levine wrote: Being listed as nameserver while unconditionally refusing all NS queries leads to a guaranteed failure with DNSSEC as there would not be a signed NS RRset published anywhere. Yes, we agree it could have bad results. The NS RR states that the na

Re: [DNSOP] Refusing NS queries, was Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-08: (with COMMENT)

2015-12-27 Thread John Levine
For instance, some authoritative name servers embedded in load balancers reply properly to A queries but send REFUSED to NS queries. >> If my policy is not to tell you about NS records, that's my policy. >> It may be a stupid policy that causes downstream problems, but it's my >> r

Re: [DNSOP] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-08: (with COMMENT)

2015-12-27 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sun, 28 Dec 2015, John Levine wrote: NEW For instance, some authoritative name servers embedded in load balancers reply properly to A queries but send REFUSED to NS queries. This behaviour violates the DNS protocol (see Section ??? of [RFC??], and improvements to the DNS are imped

Re: [DNSOP] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-08: (with COMMENT)

2015-12-27 Thread John Levine
>> NEW >>For instance, some authoritative name servers embedded in load >>balancers reply properly to A queries but send REFUSED to NS queries. >>This behaviour violates the DNS protocol (see Section ??? of [RFC??], >>and improvements to the DNS are impeded if we accept such behavio

[DNSOP] Cache utilization review and suggestion for EDNS client-subnet

2015-12-27 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
Hi all These comments are for: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-client-subnet-06 One of the main concerns while implementing EDNS client-subnet is about keeping the size of cache small and in check. It seems cache handling for EDNS client-subnet can be improved by changes to the

Re: [DNSOP] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-08: (with COMMENT)

2015-12-27 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 09:35:19PM -0800, Barry Leiba wrote a message of 124 lines which said: > NEW >For instance, some authoritative name servers embedded in load >balancers reply properly to A queries but send REFUSED to NS queries. >This behaviour violates the DNS protocol (see

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-nxdomain-cut-00.txt

2015-12-27 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 01:23:49PM -0800, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote a message of 44 lines which said: > Title : NXDOMAIN really means there is nothing underneath > Authors : Stephane Bortzmeyer > Shumon Huque > Filename

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-nxdomain-cut-00.txt

2015-12-27 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations Working Group of the IETF. Title : NXDOMAIN really means there is nothing underneath Authors : Stephane Bortzmeyer