Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error

2017-07-31 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sun, 30 Jul 2017, Evan Hunt wrote: It's clearly helpful for human debugging. But, yes, you're correct -- diagnostic information included with a SERVFAIL is about as trustworthy as the AD bit, and in the absence of an authentication mechanism such as TSIG, clients should not rely on it or bas

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error

2017-07-31 Thread Evan Hunt
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 09:57:11AM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > But we know people are already building software and systems that DO > trust the AD bit, even with non-localhost resolv.conf entries. This > saves them the overhead of adding a dnssec library to their application, > and saves them from

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error

2017-07-31 Thread Paul Wouters
Postfix is one but last I knew only when resolv contains localhost. I think systemd-resolved also does various tricks but haven't looked at that in a long time. Software doesn't want to link against a dnssec library. Hopefully we can get something smaller and better if we can use query-chains (

Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodworth-bulk-rr in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

2017-07-31 Thread Woodworth, John R
> -Original Message- > From: DNSOP [mailto:dnsop-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Vernon Schryver > > > From: "Woodworth, John R" > > > > One could make $GENERATE more efficient without actually > > > implementing the BULK RR, by taking your pattern matching logic and > > > implementing it >

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error

2017-07-31 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 05:11:07PM +, Evan Hunt wrote: > Are there applications specifically trusting AD=1 and behaving differently > than with AD=0? Or are they just ignoring it and trusting every answer > equally? I would have expected the latter, but I confess to being > surprised if ther

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error

2017-07-31 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 08:53:48AM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > > This starts a Call for Adoption for draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error > > I have reviewed the draft, and while I think it could be useful, I'm > seriously worried about sending unauthenticated errors back to the user, > and fear t

[DNSOP] Status of "let localhost be localhost"?

2017-07-31 Thread Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
Hi, I'm interested in seeing https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-west-let-localhost-be-localhost-03 move from draft status to become a standard. In particular, it would allow browsers to start treating "localhost" as a secure context, which would reduce attempts by application developers to abuse th