Re: [DNSOP] type numbers, was Brief addition to terminology-bis draft

2018-09-10 Thread John Levine
In article <247af5e0-8214-4312-b362-431c56e4f...@isc.org>, Mark Andrews wrote: >> Uh, what? In the past 30 years we've assigned under 100 rrtypes. If that >> rate increases by an order of >magnitude, we still have a thousand years of them. Sure we don't know exactly >what the future will bri

Re: [DNSOP] Benjamin Kaduk's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any-07: (with COMMENT)

2018-09-10 Thread Spencer Dawkins at IETF
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 9:48 AM Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any-07: Yes > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut

Re: [DNSOP] type numbers, was Brief addition to terminology-bis draft

2018-09-10 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 11 Sep 2018, at 8:51 am, John R Levine wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2018, Mark Andrews wrote: >>> Since the type code is a 16-bit field, if we allocate a new type every >>> week, it'll take over a thousand years to run out. I think this is one we >>> can safely ignore. >> >> If we end up wi

[DNSOP] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any-07: (with COMMENT)

2018-09-10 Thread Adam Roach
Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any-07: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to ht

Re: [DNSOP] type numbers, was Brief addition to terminology-bis draft

2018-09-10 Thread Joe Abley
On Sep 10, 2018, at 18:51, John R Levine wrote: > Classes were a mistake. We should deprecate every class except IN, perhaps > keeping the one special case for CH server.bind. FWIW, [monster:~]% strings $(which named) | egrep 'zone .* chaos ' zone "version.bind" chaos { zone "

Re: [DNSOP] type numbers, was Brief addition to terminology-bis draft

2018-09-10 Thread John R Levine
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018, Mark Andrews wrote: Since the type code is a 16-bit field, if we allocate a new type every week, it'll take over a thousand years to run out. I think this is one we can safely ignore. If we end up with a type per protocol because people want wildcards to work we will burn

Re: [DNSOP] Brief addition to terminology-bis draft

2018-09-10 Thread Suzanne Woolf
Hi, > On Sep 10, 2018, at 12:48 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: > > Andrew Sullivan wrote: >> ... >> >> I agree with Paul Vixie that classes were never defined well enough to >> be made to work properly, at least at Internet scale. > > this thread has further cemented my prejudice against CLASS. however

[DNSOP] DNS JSON (RFC 8427) schema

2018-09-10 Thread Tom Pusateri
DNSOP/Paul: I am working on an application that will have DNS filters or translators in the config file. My current design uses Paul Hoffman's RFC 8427 JSON DNS format to allow the filters to make packet alterations. As an example, think about an older printer service with SRV/TXT recor

Re: [DNSOP] Brief addition to terminology-bis draft

2018-09-10 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 11 Sep 2018, at 7:39 am, John Levine wrote: > > In article <20180910165922.ga31...@isc.org> you write: >> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 09:48:05AM -0700, Paul Vixie wrote: >>> Andrew Sullivan wrote: I agree with Paul Vixie that classes were never defined well enough to be made to work

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-isp-ip6rdns-06.txt

2018-09-10 Thread Suzanne Woolf
> On Sep 10, 2018, at 1:13 PM, Lee Howard wrote: > > > > On 09/06/2018 03:14 AM, Shane Kerr wrote: >> All, >> >> On 2018-09-05 20:45, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>> directories. >>> This draft is a work item of the

Re: [DNSOP] Brief addition to terminology-bis draft

2018-09-10 Thread John Levine
In article <20180910165922.ga31...@isc.org> you write: >On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 09:48:05AM -0700, Paul Vixie wrote: >> Andrew Sullivan wrote: >> > I agree with Paul Vixie that classes were never defined well enough to >> > be made to work properly, at least at Internet scale. Agreed. Since it's a

Re: [DNSOP] Brief addition to terminology-bis draft

2018-09-10 Thread Mark Andrews
And part of not making that too difficult is making new types IN specific by default. You need to argue for class agnostic. You can always replicate a class specific type in a new class. You can’t go from class agnostic to class specific. -- Mark Andrews > On 11 Sep 2018, at 02:59, Evan Hunt

Re: [DNSOP] regarding dnssec-key-timing RFC 7583

2018-09-10 Thread Mark Andrews
Firstly you can’t avoid dealing with time if you want validators to always successfully validate answers from a signed zone as there are coaches involved and the DNS is loosely coherent. The DNS isn’t HTTPS, you aren’t always directly dealing with the authoritative server or a proxy like you a

Re: [DNSOP] regarding dnssec-key-timing RFC 7583

2018-09-10 Thread Michael StJohns
Generally, CRLs work reasonably well for revoking intermediate CAs and leaf certificates, not so well for dealing with trust anchors.   CRLs work by the parent signing the revocation (and by being able to re-issue new certificates). Root certs/trust anchors by definition do not have parents.

[DNSOP] regarding dnssec-key-timing RFC 7583

2018-09-10 Thread shabbir ali
Hi all, My question is that instead of messing with the DNSSEC key Rollover timing and all that manual and automation tools dependencies, why not simply use a key revocation list just like a certificate revocation list (CRL) ? ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-isp-ip6rdns-06.txt

2018-09-10 Thread Lee Howard
On 09/06/2018 03:14 AM, Shane Kerr wrote: All, On 2018-09-05 20:45, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations WG of the IETF. Title   : Reve

Re: [DNSOP] Brief addition to terminology-bis draft

2018-09-10 Thread Evan Hunt
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 09:48:05AM -0700, Paul Vixie wrote: > Andrew Sullivan wrote: > > ... > > > > I agree with Paul Vixie that classes were never defined well enough to > > be made to work properly, at least at Internet scale. > > this thread has further cemented my prejudice against CLASS. how

Re: [DNSOP] Brief addition to terminology-bis draft

2018-09-10 Thread Paul Vixie
Andrew Sullivan wrote: ... I agree with Paul Vixie that classes were never defined well enough to be made to work properly, at least at Internet scale. this thread has further cemented my prejudice against CLASS. however, it has also motivated me to define it well enough that we can create

[DNSOP] Benjamin Kaduk's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any-07: (with COMMENT)

2018-09-10 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any-07: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https:/

Re: [DNSOP] Brief addition to terminology-bis draft

2018-09-10 Thread Mark Andrews
I have to disagree. Classes could quite easily be made to work at internet scale. The only thing that would cause issues is vendors that have taken short cuts. Is it that hard to add root.hint for class10 when we want to use class10? -- Mark Andrews > On 10 Sep 2018, at 22:55, Andrew Sulli

Re: [DNSOP] Brief addition to terminology-bis draft

2018-09-10 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Dear colleagues, On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 12:29:30AM -0400, StJohns, Michael wrote: > Actually, 5.2 suggests that a master file (not zone) should contain a > single class and single SOA record. That’s not the same thing as limiting > a zone to a single class AFAICT. I believe it is the same thin

[DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any-07: (with COMMENT)

2018-09-10 Thread Mirja Kühlewind
Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any-07: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https: