Re: [DNSOP] TA signal - suggestion to enhance signal

2019-05-13 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 5/13/19 5:17 AM, Brian Dickson wrote: > Thoughts? There's the hiding problem due to aggressive caching, especially when forwarding to a resolver that does aggressive caching (1.1.1.1 is well-known but there are more). https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8145#section-5.3.1 If the label was extended t

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-01.txt

2019-05-13 Thread Paul Hoffman
On May 13, 2019, at 11:06 AM, Ondřej Surý wrote: > I still would like to continue with this and I still think it’s a no brainer It is far from a no-brainer. The implementation of this document will leave RFC-compliant systems in an unknown state. A far easier approach is for any developer to f

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-01.txt

2019-05-13 Thread Evan Hunt
On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 07:47:35AM +, Paul Hoffman wrote: > A far easier approach is for any developer to feel free to treat these > RRtypes as unknown RRtypes. I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making here? What you said sounds similar to what the document proposes, so perhaps

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-01.txt

2019-05-13 Thread Paul Hoffman
On May 13, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Evan Hunt wrote: > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 07:47:35AM +, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> A far easier approach is for any developer to feel free to treat these >> RRtypes as unknown RRtypes. > > I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making here? > What you sa

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-01.txt

2019-05-13 Thread Miek Gieben
I agree with Paul here. Also sidesteps questions like why HINFO is not in this list. On Mon, 13 May 2019, 09:08 Paul Hoffman, wrote: > On May 13, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Evan Hunt wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 07:47:35AM +, Paul Hoffman wrote: > >> A far easier approach is for any develo

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-01.txt

2019-05-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13 May 2019, at 15:08, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On May 13, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Evan Hunt wrote: > >> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 07:47:35AM +, Paul Hoffman wrote: >>> A far easier approach is for any developer to feel free to treat these >>> RRtypes as unknown RRtypes. >> >> I'm not sure I under

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-01.txt

2019-05-13 Thread Jim Reid
> On 13 May 2019, at 09:22, Joe Abley wrote: > > I would prefer documented agreement about what is obsolete and what is not. +1 Though a definition of what is meant by obsolete might be needed too: "no longer seen in the wild but could still be alive in closed environments", "deader than E

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-01.txt

2019-05-13 Thread Martin Hoffmann
Paul Hoffman wrote: > On May 13, 2019, at 11:06 AM, Ondřej Surý wrote: > > I still would like to continue with this and I still think it’s a > > no brainer > > It is far from a no-brainer. The implementation of this document will > leave RFC-compliant systems in an unknown state. > > A far ea

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-01.txt

2019-05-13 Thread Shane Kerr
Paul, On 13/05/2019 10.08, Paul Hoffman wrote: On May 13, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Evan Hunt wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 07:47:35AM +, Paul Hoffman wrote: A far easier approach is for any developer to feel free to treat these RRtypes as unknown RRtypes. I'm not sure I understand the distin

[DNSOP] reply (and free review) Re: [Ext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-01.txt

2019-05-13 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 13 May 2019, Paul Hoffman wrote: I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making here? What you said sounds similar to what the document proposes, so perhaps the document is unclear, or perhaps I've misunderstood you. I am proposing that we don't need a document, nor changes to

[DNSOP] front-end naming document: Synchronization Server

2019-05-13 Thread Michael Richardson
Last week Daniel and I resurrected https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation/ The -08 version was posted, it should have minimal changes for the expired -07 version, except that this version is done in Markdown/github, etc. Issues tracked are at: https:

[DNSOP] front-end naming document: Synchronization Server

2019-05-13 Thread Michael Richardson
Last week Daniel and I resurrected https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation/ The -08 version was posted, it should have minimal changes for the expired -07 version, except that this version is done in Markdown/github, etc. Issues tracked are at: https:

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-01.txt

2019-05-13 Thread Evan Hunt
On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 10:52:59AM +0200, Martin Hoffmann wrote: > Paul Hoffman wrote: > > A far easier approach is for any developer to feel free to treat > > these RRtypes as unknown RRtypes. > > That will work for all record types except those defined in RFC 1035 > since name compression in rec

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-01.txt

2019-05-13 Thread Paul Vixie
On Monday, 13 May 2019 08:14:34 UTC Miek Gieben wrote: > I agree with Paul here. Also sidesteps questions like why HINFO is not in > this list. i disagree with paul here. see below. > > On Mon, 13 May 2019, 09:08 Paul Hoffman, wrote: > > On May 13, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Evan Hunt wrote: > > > On M

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-01.txt

2019-05-13 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 07:30:44PM +, Paul Vixie wrote: > maintainers will know which burdens they can avoid. having it be a matter of > ad-hoc "in-crowd" knowledged passed down from mother to daughter is not the > internet engineering way. Well, it might _be_ the Internet engineering way, b