Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-sah-resolver-information

2019-08-05 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >I support adoption, but I think we should consider a substantial >simplification of the design, focusing on a consensus core of basic >functionality. Agreed. While I understand the motivation for this draft, the more I look at it the less I understand the security model.

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-sah-resolver-information

2019-08-05 Thread Brian Dickson
+1 to everything Joe wrote below. (There should be an automatic +1 to things Joe writes.) I'd like to suggest an approach to the issues of DNS forwarders + NATs of varying depth/scope, but I think there may be some extra protocol work in order to address these problems. Also, I think there would

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-sah-resolver-information

2019-08-05 Thread Ralf Weber
Moin! On 5 Aug 2019, at 16:26, Paul Hoffman wrote: As I said earlier in the thread, it is not a "need". Some clients who want the information will want to use HTTPS because that's what they already do (such as applications with DoH clients); there is no need to force them to also have DNS tra

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-sah-resolver-information

2019-08-05 Thread Paul Ebersman
While there is definitely a lot of work needed, this seems to be getting substantive interest in the draft, so I'd support the WG adopting this draft. ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-sah-resolver-information

2019-08-05 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 5, 2019, at 5:52 AM, Joe Abley wrote: > I'm concerned about the cases where: > > (a) the data enclosed within a RESINFO response includes embedded IP > addresses that may not match the addresses that correspond to the resolver > service as viewed from another addressing domain, and > >

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-sah-resolver-information

2019-08-05 Thread Paul Hoffman
Thank you for your detailed list On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:07 AM, tirumal reddy wrote: > > I did not receive response to the attacks discussed in > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/4ubj2D4bzxS1VTsZKzcNqBcWgtM. > Listing the attacks and comments for further discussion: To be clear, most

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-sah-resolver-information

2019-08-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 4 Aug 2019, at 21:00, Martin Thomson wrote: > On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, at 00:37, Paul Hoffman wrote: >>> I think that I might have said this before, but I don't think that asking >>> an HTTP server about a DNS server is the right solution. >> >> It is not "the" right solution, but it is one of t

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-sah-resolver-information

2019-08-05 Thread tirumal reddy
On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 16:20, Ralf Weber wrote: > Moin! > > On 4 Aug 2019, at 4:15, Rob Sayre wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:04 AM Tim Wicinski wrote: > > > >> > >> The draft is available here: > >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sah-resolver-information/ > >> > >> Please review th

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-sah-resolver-information

2019-08-05 Thread tirumal reddy
I did not receive response to the attacks discussed in https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/4ubj2D4bzxS1VTsZKzcNqBcWgtM. Listing the attacks and comments for further discussion: a) Attackers can also host DoH/DoT servers and claim they offer security and privacy policies. How will the stub

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-sah-resolver-information

2019-08-05 Thread Ralf Weber
Moin! On 4 Aug 2019, at 4:15, Rob Sayre wrote: > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:04 AM Tim Wicinski wrote: > >> >> The draft is available here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sah-resolver-information/ >> >> Please review this draft to see if you think it is suitable for adoption >> by DNSOP,