[DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation-04.txt

2021-02-25 Thread fujiwara
Dear DNSOP WG, Paul Vixue and I submitted draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation-04.txt . https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation/ https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation-04 We changed to use "default maximum DNS/UDP payload size" instead

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org] New Version Notification for draft-hardaker-dnsop-intentionally-temporary-insec-00.txt

2021-02-25 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 14:14, Ben Schwartz wrote: > The most interesting informational element, in my view, would be guidance > on how to detect buggy implementations that will create this problem. (Set > up a test zone and a test resolver and ...?). I think the best practice is > probably to m

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] DNSSEC Strict Mode

2021-02-25 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Feb 25, 2021, at 8:06 AM, Ben Schwartz wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:26 AM Paul Hoffman wrote: >> In reading draft-schwartz-dnsop-dnssec-strict-mode, I still don't understand >> why it is even useful. If I am signing one of my zones with two algorithms, >> I must intend to do so.

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] DNSSEC Strict Mode

2021-02-25 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 26 Feb 2021, at 04:39, Paul Wouters wrote: > > On Feb 25, 2021, at 11:06, Ben Schwartz > wrote: >> >>  >> >> That's not especially the intent. Currently, if you sign with two >> algorithms, and either of those algorithms becomes insecure*, your zone >> becomes susceptible to forger

Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC Strict Mode

2021-02-25 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
> On Feb 23, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Ben Schwartz wrote: > > The DNSSEC Strict Mode flag appears in bit $N of the DNSKEY flags field. > If this flag is set, all records in the zone MUST be signed correctly under > this key's specified Algorithm. A validator that receives a Strict Mode > DNSKEY with a

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org] New Version Notification for draft-hardaker-dnsop-intentionally-temporary-insec-00.txt

2021-02-25 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
> On Feb 25, 2021, at 5:13 PM, Ben Schwartz wrote: > > The most interesting informational element, in my view, would be guidance on > how to detect buggy implementations that will create this problem. (Set up a > test zone and a test resolver and ...?). I think the best practice is > probabl

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org] New Version Notification for draft-hardaker-dnsop-intentionally-temporary-insec-00.txt

2021-02-25 Thread Wes Hardaker
Ben Schwartz writes: > I also think that this is not appropriate as a Best Practice.  I would suggest > reversing this draft to make it operational guidance to implementers about > how to > enable compliance with RFC 6781 Section 4.1.4. Thanks for the feedback from both of you. I think I could

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] DNSSEC Strict Mode

2021-02-25 Thread Samuel Weiler
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021, Ben Schwartz wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:26 AM Paul Hoffman wrote: In reading draft-schwartz-dnsop-dnssec-strict-mode, I still don't understand why it is even useful. If I am signing one of my zones with two algorithms, I must intend to do so. What is th

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] DNSSEC Strict Mode

2021-02-25 Thread Paul Wouters
On Feb 25, 2021, at 11:06, Ben Schwartz wrote: > >  > > That's not especially the intent. Currently, if you sign with two > algorithms, and either of those algorithms becomes insecure*, your zone > becomes susceptible to forgery. Which is why we have RFC 8624 and it’s successors. It really

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] DNSSEC Strict Mode

2021-02-25 Thread Paul Hoffman
In reading draft-schwartz-dnsop-dnssec-strict-mode, I still don't understand why it is even useful. If I am signing one of my zones with two algorithms, I must intend to do so. What is the value of me saying that only one of the signing algorithms is the strong one? --Paul Hoffman smime.p7s De

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] DNSSEC Strict Mode

2021-02-25 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Ulrich, On Feb 25, 2021, at 06:53, Ulrich Wisser wrote: > But this is a real world problem, one that is holding DNSSEC back. > If you buy DNS operations the operator will usually tell you what algorithm > they use, you have no choice in that. This feels like one of those areas where more s

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] DNSSEC Strict Mode

2021-02-25 Thread Ulrich Wisser
> On 24 Feb 2021, at 22:44, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > >> On 25 Feb 2021, at 02:01, Ulrich Wisser >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 23 Feb 2021, at 17:49, Ben Schwartz >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 11:21 AM Samuel Weiler wrote: >>> ... >>> Recognizing that I'm likely biase