Re: [DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-29 Thread Mark Andrews
If we are going to send NOTIFY messages just send signed UPDATE messages. I described how to do this securely about a decade ago now. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-andrews-dnsop-update-parent-zones-04 NOTIFY messages are just going to have to be relayed to the registrar in

Re: [DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-29 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 30 Nov 2022, at 00:07, Joe Abley wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 29th, 2022 at 13:37, Peter Thomassen > wrote: > >> At the IETF a few weeks back, Johan and I felt a sudden >> enlightenment when it occurred to us that the same approach >> could be used to reduce scanning cost for

[DNSOP] Last Call: (DNS Catalog Zones) to Proposed Standard

2022-11-29 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Domain Name System Operations WG (dnsop) to consider the following document: - 'DNS Catalog Zones' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive

[DNSOP] Paul Wouters' Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc5933-bis-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2022-11-29 Thread Paul Wouters via Datatracker
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[DNSOP] Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc5933-bis-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2022-11-29 Thread Roman Danyliw via Datatracker
Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc5933-bis-12: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to

Re: [DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-29 Thread Ólafur Guðmundsson
Peter, I like the concept a lot and this is a good natural evolution, My comments/issues #1 this should cover normal notify as well as there is no reason parent should have to be updates every time an external DNS provider changes its distribution "top" #2 I would love the examples to use a

Re: [DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-29 Thread Joe Abley
On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 15:57, Paul Wouters wrote: > The main concern at the time was they TLDs didn’t want any kind of triggers > hitting their production nameservers. For what it's worth, I this proposal accommodates such concerns. It allows (in your example) the TLD operator to specify

Re: [DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-29 Thread Paul Wouters
You might want to dig into the ancient discussion thread of “timers vs triggers”. The main concern at the time was they TLDs didn’t want any kind of triggers hitting their production nameservers. Paul Sent using a virtual keyboard on a phone > On Nov 29, 2022, at 08:08, Joe Abley wrote: >

Re: [DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-29 Thread Joe Abley
On Tuesday, November 29th, 2022 at 13:37, Peter Thomassen wrote: > At the IETF a few weeks back, Johan and I felt a sudden > enlightenment when it occurred to us that the same approach > could be used to reduce scanning cost for CDS/CSYNC scans and > the like, while maintaining low update

[DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-29 Thread Peter Thomassen
Dear DNSOP, Changes in CDS/CDNSKEY, CSYNC, and other records related to delegation maintenance are usually detected through scheduled scans run by the consuming party (e.g. top-level domain registry), incurring an uncomfortable trade-off between scanning cost and update latency. A similar