Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-09 Thread Douglas Otis
On 9/8/09 9:15 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: In message4aa58174.6010...@mail-abuse.org, Douglas Otis writes: Mark, There are valid reasons to formally make statements about a practice, whether that rules the day is a different matter. There is a practice promoted, in respect to IPv4, where the

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-07 Thread Douglas Otis
On 9/5/09 5:53 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: I claim that we need to provide support for the network that people are actually building. That often includes things that we would not do ourselves, and that we think would be better done otherwise. There are valid reasons to formally make statements

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-07 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 4aa58174.6010...@mail-abuse.org, Douglas Otis writes: On 9/5/09 5:53 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: I claim that we need to provide support for the network that people are actually building. That often includes things that we would not do ourselves, and that we think would be

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-04 Thread Andrew Sullivan
No hat of any kind. Not even my boater, which I will soon be sad to put away again. On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 12:11:29PM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: People don't move house very often. Speak for yourself! But anyway, I think we have clearly crossed the Rubicon of folly if we think that the

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-03 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: dnsop-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:dnsop-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Andrews Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:53 PM To: Doug Barton Cc: dnsop Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00 Windows already attempts to do

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-03 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: dnsop-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:dnsop-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Otis Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 2:18 PM To: Doug Barton Cc: dnsop; Shane Kerr Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00 Saying IPv6 reverse

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-03 Thread Mark Andrews
on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00 Windows already attempts to do UPDATE. It just does it over UDP. Switching to TCP for the UPDATE message should be trivial. I guess that's for them to decide, but certainly the protocols are there. I think I said that in the draft, too. Since

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-02 Thread Shane Kerr
Mark, On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 11:36 +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: Feel free to do that with networks you operate. This is a huge cost, if you compare it to a zone file with a $RANGE statement, which is what we have today. How is it a huge cost? Please tell me. Most of the zones would have

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-02 Thread Ted Lemon
The frustrating thing about this discussion is that Shane is right. Personally I think rdns is useful, but there is no market pressure to do it right, and doing it wrong isn't that useful. Fundamentally the problem is that the ISP owns the rdns delegation, and they have no reason to set up

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-02 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, fujiw...@jprs.co.jp wrote: Now, I'm testing On the Fly generation of PTR and RRs and On the Fly signing using perl + Net::DNS::SEC. I notice it creates a new signature for same look up everytime. So the inception and expiration is increased immediately. Would it make

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-02 Thread fujiwara
From: Jeremy C. Reed r...@reedmedia.net Now, I'm testing On the Fly generation of PTR and RRs and On the Fly signing using perl + Net::DNS::SEC. I notice it creates a new signature for same look up everytime. So the inception and expiration is increased immediately. It creates a new

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-02 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 1251894987.3172.11867.ca...@shane-asus-laptop, Shane Kerr writes: Ted, On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 08:05 -0400, Ted Lemon wrote: The frustrating thing about this discussion is that Shane is right. Personally I think rdns is useful, but there is no market pressure to do it

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-02 Thread David Conrad
On Sep 2, 2009, at 5:36 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: With IPv6 the address blocks should be stable to ALL customers. Buy stock in memory manufacturers for routing vendors. Sorry, wrong list. Regards, -drc ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-02 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 1023e5ce-4faf-4977-84b1-e26693307...@virtualized.org, David Conrad writes: On Sep 2, 2009, at 5:36 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: With IPv6 the address blocks should be stable to ALL customers. Buy stock in memory manufacturers for routing vendors. People don't move house very often.

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-02 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 200909030211.n832buty082...@drugs.dv.isc.org, Mark Andrews writes: In message 1023e5ce-4faf-4977-84b1-e26693307...@virtualized.org, David Conr ad writes: On Sep 2, 2009, at 5:36 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: With IPv6 the address blocks should be stable to ALL customers. Buy

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-01 Thread Stephan Lagerholm
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 1:04 PM To: Mark Andrews Cc: dnsop Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00 Mark Andrews wrote: In message 4a9c783e.8090...@dougbarton.us, Doug Barton writes: Mark Andrews wrote: This was on the adgena for DNSOP at the last IETF

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-01 Thread Douglas Otis
On 9/1/09 11:55 AM, Doug Barton wrote: When IPv6 forces use of positive reputations, reverse DNS entries become superfluous. I'm sorry, I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Could you elaborate? We offer an email abuse tracking service that lists IPv4 addresses. Defending this

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-09-01 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 1251822081.3172.8887.ca...@shane-asus-laptop, Shane Kerr writes: Mark, On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 11:52 +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: If you deploy BCP 38 to the customer level TCP is a good enough authenticator for updating a reverse zone via UPDATE. As I mentioned at the IETF,

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-08-31 Thread Doug Barton
Mark Andrews wrote: This was on the adgena for DNSOP at the last IETF 75. There was much discussion. Sorry if I'm rehashing this unnecessarily. I did (an admittedly cursory) search of my list archive and didn't see anything similar. Not all of use agree with the analysis in that document

Re: [DNSOP] Draft on rDNS for IPv6: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-00

2009-08-31 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 4a9c783e.8090...@dougbarton.us, Doug Barton writes: Mark Andrews wrote: This was on the adgena for DNSOP at the last IETF 75. There was much discussion. Sorry if I'm rehashing this unnecessarily. I did (an admittedly cursory) search of my list archive and didn't see