Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-02-01 Thread Andrew Sullivan
To be clear, I agree that it's a small point, and I was mostly interested for other reasons having to do with another draft (the one I mentioned). I didn't think this was a blocking question. On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 09:44:10AM +1000, George Michaelson wrote: > I think we're rat holing. […] > On

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-31 Thread Bob Harold
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 5:36 AM, Robert Story wrote: > On Tue 2018-01-30 22:40:11-0500 Joe wrote: > > I made a comment some time ago in response to someone's (Warren's > > again, I think, but I'm not sure) observed confusion in others about > > the draft. I recall that I suggested that the draft

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-31 Thread Robert Story
On Tue 2018-01-30 22:40:11-0500 Joe wrote: > I made a comment some time ago in response to someone's (Warren's > again, I think, but I'm not sure) observed confusion in others about > the draft. I recall that I suggested that the draft include some > explicit advice for all the various actors here

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-31 Thread Ray Bellis
On 31/01/2018 00:58, Paul Hoffman wrote: > The problem you hit was in BIND. To get around it, you simply add > "check-names master warn;" to the options. If you're doing that, please put it in the zone specific stanza, and not in the global options for the server: zone "foo" { type master;

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-30 Thread George Michaelson
I stress, I'm not an author on this one. I'm also heavily biassed by role and relationship(s) with the authors. I'm trying to play nice, in that context: I want it shipped. I think its a net useful contribution. So, I think your suggestion of guiding words is good. If it was my draft, I'd welcome

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-30 Thread Joe Abley
Hi George, On Jan 30, 2018, at 21:49, George Michaelson wrote: >> The problem you hit was in BIND. To get around it, you simply add >> "check-names master warn;" to the options. > > And with this.. he was good again. So, modulo the implementation > cost/consequence, I'm good here. > > But, if

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-30 Thread George Michaelson
>The problem you hit was in BIND. To get around it, you simply add "check-names >master warn;" to the options. And with this.. he was good again. So, modulo the implementation cost/consequence, I'm good here. But, if this is detail, then I'm back at 10,000ft: noting the IETF is all about detail,

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-30 Thread Paul Hoffman
On 30 Jan 2018, at 16:29, Warren Kumari wrote: There is one matter of substance (but, IMO, very minor substance!) -- the original document said that the names are of the form: _is-ta-[key].example.com _not-ta-[key].example.com This works, but some implementations really don't like having A/AAA

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-30 Thread George Michaelson
I tested this. you can bind _label onto CNAME but not A/. bind won't serve zones with it. So yea.. I think the change is needed. thats substantful. -G On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:29 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: > On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 6:44 PM, George Michaelson wrote: >> I think we're rat ho

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-30 Thread Warren Kumari
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 6:44 PM, George Michaelson wrote: > I think we're rat holing. I'm not an author on this draft, but I know > them both, and I work with one, and I believe the draft is basically > in the right space and .. well.. we're rat holing. > > So, noting my disclaimer of bias, can we

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-30 Thread George Michaelson
I think we're rat holing. I'm not an author on this draft, but I know them both, and I work with one, and I believe the draft is basically in the right space and .. well.. we're rat holing. So, noting my disclaimer of bias, can we .. move on? Is there real matters of substance left on this one? It

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:42:15AM -0500, Joe Abley wrote: > > I realise that the following is not what anybody means in this thread Hmm. Actually, I wasn't sure :-) > I probably missed some. Anyway, I think when people are saying "address > record" here they actually mean "IP address record".

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-30 Thread Joe Abley
Hey, > On Jan 30, 2018, at 10:24, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 11:37:55PM +0100, Martin Hoffmann wrote: >> Perhaps define a term for "A or " such as "address record"? > > I went and looked at terminology-bis and noted that we use "address > record" and parenthetically

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 11:37:55PM +0100, Martin Hoffmann wrote: > Perhaps define a term for "A or " such as "address record"? I went and looked at terminology-bis and noted that we use "address record" and parenthetically define it. Should we define it more formally? A -- Andrew Sullivan

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-29 Thread Richard Gibson
Indeed, the concept of "address record" has also come up in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-aname-01 , which even suggests (but does not specify) the creation of an IANA registry. On 01/29/2018 05:37 PM, Martin Hoffmann wrote: Warren Kumari wrote: Yes, you are right -- for all p

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-29 Thread Jaap Akkerhuis
Warren Kumari writes: > "Throughout this document, we are using A to refer to an Address > record (either 'A' or '') " -- having "A or " scattered all > over the document makes it now flow as nicely... Just for fun, turn that around: "Throughout this document, we are using ... e

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-29 Thread Martin Hoffmann
Warren Kumari wrote: > > Yes, you are right -- for all places where there is 'A' it should be > 'A or '; how do people feel about something along the lines of: > > "Throughout this document, we are using A to refer to an Address > record (either 'A' or '') " -- having "A or " scatter

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-29 Thread Warren Kumari
On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Robert Story wrote: > On Mon 2017-11-13 18:26:02-0800 internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System >> Operations WG of the IETF. > > I was r

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2018-01-28 Thread Robert Story
On Mon 2017-11-13 18:26:02-0800 internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System > Operations WG of the IETF. I was re-reading the draft today and noticed that Vold and Vnew are i

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2017-11-17 Thread Bob Harold
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 1:38 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: > On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Joe Abley wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > > > On Nov 15, 2017, at 00:23, Bob Harold wrote: > > > > If I have to add those entries to each zone, I worry that the automated > DNS > > appliance that I use might not be

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2017-11-14 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Joe Abley wrote: > Hi Bob, > > On Nov 15, 2017, at 00:23, Bob Harold wrote: > > If I have to add those entries to each zone, I worry that the automated DNS > appliance that I use might not be able to create the broken records > required. > > Since the implementati

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2017-11-14 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Bob, On Nov 15, 2017, at 00:23, Bob Harold wrote: If I have to add those entries to each zone, I worry that the automated DNS appliance that I use might not be able to create the broken records required. Since the implementation of the mechanism requires special handling of queries whose QNA

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2017-11-14 Thread Bob Harold
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:26 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations WG of the > IETF. > > Title : A Sentinel for Detecting Trusted Keys in DNSSEC >

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-huston-kskroll-sentinel-04.txt

2017-11-13 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations WG of the IETF. Title : A Sentinel for Detecting Trusted Keys in DNSSEC Authors : Geoff Huston