Re: [DNSOP] Please review the definitions around "recursive" in terminology-bis

2018-03-12 Thread Paul Vixie
Paul Hoffman wrote: On 12 Mar 2018, at 10:21, Vix wrote: I call them full resolved not recursive resolvers. I thought 1034 also did. Not really. Please see the full text of Section 6 to see the state of "full resolver" and "full-service resolver". huh. The term "recursive resolver" is

Re: [DNSOP] Please review the definitions around "recursive" in terminology-bis

2018-03-12 Thread Evan Hunt
Yes please. I'd start off by noting that "recursive" (like "resolver") is used in several different ways and a single clear definition isn't possible. "Recursive mode" is currently defined as "receiving a query and then either answering from a cache or sending a query to other servers" -- which se

Re: [DNSOP] Please review the definitions around "recursive" in terminology-bis

2018-03-12 Thread Paul Hoffman
On 12 Mar 2018, at 10:21, Vix wrote: I call them full resolved not recursive resolvers. I thought 1034 also did. Not really. Please see the full text of Section 6 to see the state of "full resolver" and "full-service resolver". The term "recursive resolver" is used in a zillion other places

Re: [DNSOP] Please review the definitions around "recursive" in terminology-bis

2018-03-12 Thread P Vix
No cc. I call them full resolved not recursive resolvers. I thought 1034 also did. On March 12, 2018 3:09:27 PM UTC, Paul Hoffman wrote: >Greetings. The definition of "recursive resolver" has been problematic >both in RFC 7719 and in draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis. Section 6 of >draft-ietf-d

Re: [DNSOP] Please review the definitions around "recursive" in terminology-bis

2018-03-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 12 Mar 2018, at 11:09, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Can these be improved on? This is one of the core ideas in the DNS protocol > and it seems a bit weird that we don't have a crisp set of definitions. If > there is more text from RFCs to quote, that would possibly be a big help. One detail that c

[DNSOP] Please review the definitions around "recursive" in terminology-bis

2018-03-12 Thread Paul Hoffman
Greetings. The definition of "recursive resolver" has been problematic both in RFC 7719 and in draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis. Section 6 of draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis defines a bunch of terms about servers, including "recursive mode" and "recursive resolver". The current text gives: