Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-11 Thread Ray . Bellis
> I have to agree with that, except that you probably need more 9's. Oh, I don't know about that. Three 9's should be more than enough accuracy to describe the set of people who've ever put a DS or DNSKEY record in their zone files ;-) Ray ___ DNSOP

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-10 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20090310232216.gc3...@sirocco.local>, Matt Larson writes: > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > In message <20090310213643.gn2...@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local>, Matt Larson writ > es: > > > Mark, > > > > > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > [...] it is impossib

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-10 Thread Matt Larson
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message <20090310213643.gn2...@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local>, Matt Larson writes: > > Mark, > > > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > [...] it is impossible to convert a DS to a DNSKEY prior to the > > > publication of the DNSKEY in the DNS.

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-10 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20090310213643.gn2...@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local>, Matt Larson writes: > Mark, > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: > > [...] it is impossible to convert a DS to a DNSKEY prior to the > > publication of the DNSKEY in the DNS. > > Why would a validator ever need to do this?

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-10 Thread Chris Thompson
On Mar 10 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: Has anyone on this list ever typed in a DNSKEY or DS as a trust anchor? I would presume that most (99.%) people would just cut-and-paste or the equivalent. I call "ease of typing" a unjustifiable justification as no one will be doing it even for DS recor

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-10 Thread Matt Larson
Mark, On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: > [...] it is impossible to convert a DS to a DNSKEY prior to the > publication of the DNSKEY in the DNS. Why would a validator ever need to do this? Matt ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-10 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Edward Lewis writes: > At 8:35 +1100 3/10/09, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > This make DNSKEY a better manditory record to publish. > > While there's little empirical data on trust anchors to date, my > inclination is to whole-heartedly disagree with this statement. So > long as t

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-10 Thread Edward Lewis
At 8:35 +1100 3/10/09, Mark Andrews wrote: This make DNSKEY a better manditory record to publish. While there's little empirical data on trust anchors to date, my inclination is to whole-heartedly disagree with this statement. So long as the DS record points to a unique DNSKEY recor

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-10 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
At 00:43 10/03/2009, Mark Andrews wrote: In message <20090310041254.gb4...@vacation.karoshi.com.>, bmann...@vacation.kar oshi.com writes: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:55:51PM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > In message , David Black > a wr > > ites: > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:35 PM, M

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02 )

2009-03-10 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
At 17:35 09/03/2009, Mark Andrews wrote: On a related issue DS -> DNSKEY translations cannot be performed until the DNSKEY is published in the zone. The use of DS prevents pre-publishing of keys. Once the key is generated a DS of it can be generated. Our draft does no

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-09 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20090310041254.gb4...@vacation.karoshi.com.>, bmann...@vacation.kar oshi.com writes: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:55:51PM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > In message , David Black > a wr > > ites: > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > > > > > O

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-09 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20090310041105.ga4...@vacation.karoshi.com.>, bmann...@vacation.kar oshi.com writes: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 08:35:40AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > In message <200903091515.n29ffetp055...@stora.ogud.com>, Olafur Gudmundsson > wri > > tes: > > > --===0733757033==

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-09 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:55:51PM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message , David Blacka > wr > ites: > > > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > > > On a related issue DS -> DNSKEY translations cannot be > > > performed until the DNSKEY is published in the zone. The

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-09 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 08:35:40AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message <200903091515.n29ffetp055...@stora.ogud.com>, Olafur Gudmundsson > wri > tes: > > --===0733757033== > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > > boundary="=_777355448==.ALT" > > > > -

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-09 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , David Blacka wr ites: > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > On a related issue DS -> DNSKEY translations cannot be > > performed until the DNSKEY is published in the zone. The > > use of DS prevents pre-publishing of keys. > > Huh? You can generat

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-09 Thread David Blacka
On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: On a related issue DS -> DNSKEY translations cannot be performed until the DNSKEY is published in the zone. The use of DS prevents pre-publishing of keys. Huh? You can generate a DS from the DNSKEY record that you have

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-09 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <200903091515.n29ffetp055...@stora.ogud.com>, Olafur Gudmundsson wri tes: > --===0733757033== > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="=_777355448==.ALT" > > --=_777355448==.ALT > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-09 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
At 13:46 06/08/2008, Paul Hoffman wrote: Greetings again. The end of section 2 of this document says: Another advantage of configuring a trust anchor using a DS record is that the entire hash of the public key in the DS RDATA need not necessarily be specified. A validating resolver MAY

[DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2008-08-06 Thread Paul Hoffman
Greetings again. The end of section 2 of this document says: Another advantage of configuring a trust anchor using a DS record is that the entire hash of the public key in the DS RDATA need not necessarily be specified. A validating resolver MAY support configuration using a truncated