Re: [DNSOP] comments on DNS terminology draft

2015-04-01 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Tony F inch writes: > Paul Vixie wrote: > > John Levine wrote: > > > > > > A very short survey reveals that unbound and 8.8.8.8 return SOA, bind > > > doesn't. So it's not all the time, but it's pretty common. > > > > in BIND it's an option. > > It is? I can't work out how to make

Re: [DNSOP] comments on DNS terminology draft

2015-04-01 Thread Tony Finch
Paul Vixie wrote: > John Levine wrote: > > > > A very short survey reveals that unbound and 8.8.8.8 return SOA, bind > > doesn't. So it's not all the time, but it's pretty common. > > in BIND it's an option. It is? I can't work out how to make it produce a negative response without a SOA. minima

Re: [DNSOP] comments on DNS terminology draft

2015-04-01 Thread Shumon Huque
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: > > > John Levine wrote: > >> Good point, I was only thinking of recursive answers, and I don't think > I see SOAs there all the time. We can add > >> that NODATA responses for authoritative responses include the SOA. > > > > A very short survey r

Re: [DNSOP] comments on DNS terminology draft

2015-04-01 Thread Paul Vixie
John Levine wrote: >> Good point, I was only thinking of recursive answers, and I don't think I >> see SOAs there all the time. We can add >> that NODATA responses for authoritative responses include the SOA. > > A very short survey reveals that unbound and 8.8.8.8 return SOA, bind > doesn't. S

Re: [DNSOP] comments on DNS terminology draft

2015-04-01 Thread Shumon Huque
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 4:37 PM, John Levine wrote: > >Good point, I was only thinking of recursive answers, and I don't think I > see SOAs there all the time. We can add > >that NODATA responses for authoritative responses include the SOA. > > A very short survey reveals that unbound and 8.8.8.8

Re: [DNSOP] comments on DNS terminology draft

2015-04-01 Thread John Levine
>Good point, I was only thinking of recursive answers, and I don't think I see >SOAs there all the time. We can add >that NODATA responses for authoritative responses include the SOA. A very short survey reveals that unbound and 8.8.8.8 return SOA, bind doesn't. So it's not all the time, but it'

Re: [DNSOP] comments on DNS terminology draft

2015-04-01 Thread Paul Vixie
Evan Hunt wrote: >>> Should we also mention that NODATA responses usually include a SOA record >>> in the authority section to indicate to resolvers how long to do negative >>> caching for? >> That does not seem to be established firmly enough for us to add. > > It's necessary for negative cachin

Re: [DNSOP] comments on DNS terminology draft

2015-04-01 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Apr 1, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Evan Hunt wrote: > >>> Should we also mention that NODATA responses usually include a SOA record >>> in the authority section to indicate to resolvers how long to do negative >>> caching for? >> >> That does not seem to be established firmly enough for us to add. >

Re: [DNSOP] comments on DNS terminology draft

2015-04-01 Thread Evan Hunt
> > Should we also mention that NODATA responses usually include a SOA record > > in the authority section to indicate to resolvers how long to do negative > > caching for? > > That does not seem to be established firmly enough for us to add. It's necessary for negative caching, so I believe it's

Re: [DNSOP] comments on DNS terminology draft

2015-04-01 Thread Paul Hoffman
Sorry for the belated reply. On Mar 24, 2015, at 1:03 PM, Shumon Huque wrote: > Some comments on draft-hoffman-dns-terminology > > >NODATA -- This is not an actual response code, but instead is the > >combination of an RCODE of 0 (NOERROR) and an Answer section that is > >empty. Tha

Re: [DNSOP] comments on DNS terminology draft

2015-03-25 Thread Tony Finch
Shumon Huque wrote: > >Apex -- The SOA and NS RRsets at the origin of a zone. This is also > >called the "zone apex". > > Why is it only the SOA and NS RRsets? I would suggest defining it in > terms of the domain name. Yes. Paul likes to quote existing RFCs, so, the definition in RFC 40

[DNSOP] comments on DNS terminology draft

2015-03-24 Thread Shumon Huque
Some comments on draft-hoffman-dns-terminology >NODATA -- This is not an actual response code, but instead is the >combination of an RCODE of 0 (NOERROR) and an Answer section that is >empty. That is, it indicates that the response is no answer, but >that there was not supposed to