Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query and draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive

2014-10-09 Thread Ray Bellis
On 8 Oct 2014, at 21:07, David C Lawrence t...@akamai.com wrote: It is just preferable to me that the TCP session behaviour be negotiated. Can you please elaborate? What particular benefits do you anticipate arising from such a negotiation? kind regards, Ray

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query and draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive

2014-10-08 Thread Ray Bellis
a strong vetting. They have been adopted as working group documents some time ago. The documents are: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive/ I do NOT support adoption of edns-tcp-keepalive

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query and draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive

2014-10-08 Thread Tony Finch
Tim Wicinski tjw.i...@gmail.com wrote: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query/ I do not think this protocol extension is necessary. I have previously described how you can get the same round-trip performance by sending queries for all the chain records at once:

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query and draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive

2014-10-08 Thread Ray Bellis
On 8 Oct 2014, at 10:35, Tony Finch d...@dotat.at wrote: The performance problem that EDNS chain queries are trying to fix is an problem with existing server implementations, NOT a protocol limitation. Both BIND and Unbound fail to handle queries concurrently when they arrive over one TCP

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query and draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive

2014-10-08 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 8 Oct 2014, Tony Finch wrote: Tim Wicinski tjw.i...@gmail.com wrote: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query/ I do not think this protocol extension is necessary. I have previously described how you can get the same round-trip performance by sending

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query and draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive

2014-10-08 Thread Simon Perreault
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Paul Wouters p...@nohats.ca wrote: I have previously described how you can get the same round-trip performance by sending queries for all the chain records at once: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsext/current/msg13540.html That doesn't help a stub

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query and draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive

2014-10-08 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 8 Oct 2014, Ray Bellis wrote: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive/ I do NOT support adoption of edns-tcp-keepalive. It appears to be a solution for a problem that does not exist, based on a misunderstanding of how TCP clients and servers are already

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query and draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive

2014-10-08 Thread Tony Finch
Paul Wouters p...@nohats.ca wrote: On Wed, 8 Oct 2014, Tony Finch wrote: Tim Wicinski tjw.i...@gmail.com wrote: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query/ I do not think this protocol extension is necessary. I have previously described how you can get the

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query and draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive

2014-10-08 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 8 Oct 2014, Tony Finch wrote: this extension allows a significant resource saving when used on mobile phones. Yes, I pointed that out in the article linked above. But EDNS chain queries only reduce the data sent and received, not the number of round trips. The maximum number of round

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query and draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive

2014-10-08 Thread David C Lawrence
Ray Bellis ray.bel...@nominet.org.uk: It appears to be a solution for a problem that does not exist, based on a misunderstanding of how TCP clients and servers are already supposed to interact and a misrepresentation of the recommended shortening of the standard timeout for TCP sessions that

[DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query and draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive

2014-10-07 Thread Tim Wicinski
ago. The documents are: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive/ I have thought about tbis and the opinion of this chair is that they are actually ready for a WGLC round and we pick up some

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query and draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive

2014-10-07 Thread Evan Hunt
On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 01:27:40PM -0400, Tim Wicinski wrote: The documents are: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-chain-query/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive/ I support both, and will review if needed. -- Evan Hunt -- e...@isc.org