Re: DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Dave Pawson
At 00:03 07/09/2002, Norman Walsh wrote: >| I suspect it wouldn't be difficult at all. Most of that work is >| already done in TDG. Identifying the most important core 25-50 >| elements might be a little tricky, > >I tried to identify the core 25-50 elements, I wound up with more than 100. >Sta

Re: DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Dave Pawson
At 22:14 06/09/2002, Norman Walsh wrote: >/ Adam Turoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: >[...] > >Taking things slightly out of order... > >| Just for kicks, how difficult would it be to refactor DocBook into >| a simple core (based on Simplified DocBook, or the moral equivalent), >| and imp

DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Norman Walsh
/ Adam Turoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: |On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 05:14:18PM -0400, Norman Walsh wrote: |> Quite. Hard that is. And it would introduce N! different "DocBooks". |> How easy would that be to explain? | |I thought it would be difficult. How would I explain N! DocBook DTDs?

DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Adam Turoff
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 05:14:18PM -0400, Norman Walsh wrote: > / Adam Turoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > | Just for kicks, how difficult would it be to refactor DocBook into > | a simple core (based on Simplified DocBook, or the moral equivalent), > | and implement the full DTD as mul

DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Norman Walsh
/ Adam Turoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: [...] Taking things slightly out of order... | Just for kicks, how difficult would it be to refactor DocBook into | a simple core (based on Simplified DocBook, or the moral equivalent), | and implement the full DTD as multiple layers of customi

Re: DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread ed nixon
Adam Turoff wrote: > On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 03:24:09PM -0400, Norman Walsh wrote: > > Just for kicks, how difficult would it be to refactor DocBook into > a simple core (based on Simplified DocBook, or the moral equivalent), > and implement the full DTD as multiple layers of customizations on >

Re: DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Adam Turoff
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 03:24:09PM -0400, Norman Walsh wrote: > Why is Simplified DocBook easier to use than "full" DocBook? > > 1. Because when you open the DTD in emacs and read the content models, >it's smaller. > > 2. Because the user documentation for Simplified lists fewer elements. >

DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Norman Walsh
/ Dave Pawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: | What impact might that have on the stylesheets Norm? | Divergent sets of stylesheets for pizza slices? No, no, no. You slice up the pie, you get a strict subset of the whole pie. The stylesheet for the whole pie can always be applied to the su

Re: DOCBOOK: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Paul Grosso
At 21:32 2002 09 05 -0400, ed nixon wrote: >Paul Grosso wrote: >>At 15:36 2002 09 05 -0400, ed nixon wrote: >>>Paul Grosso wrote: >>A big problem for me is that I still have not seen a satisfactory >>explanation of the user requirement(s) that is(are) driving this >>discussion. > >You are rig

Re: DOCBOOK: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Paul Grosso
At 20:42 2002 09 06 +0900, Michael Smith wrote: >Anyway, about the question at the end of number 3 above -- But what will >that do to interchange? -- It seems like interchange isn't an issue if > > * the customized DTDs are strict subsets of the complete DTD > > * and users/user communities trea

Re: DOCBOOK: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Dave Pawson
At 12:42 06/09/2002, Michael Smith wrote: >Anyway, about the question at the end of number 3 above -- But what will >that do to interchange? -- It seems like interchange isn't an issue if > > * the customized DTDs are strict subsets of the complete DTD > > * and users/user communities treat the

AW: DOCBOOK: Re: AW: [QUESTION] page numbers in sets/books

2002-09-06 Thread Daniel S. Haischt
hello, i finally managed to get a footer the way i wanted it to be. allthough it wasn't that easy :( now i am still struggling with two other issues. 1) i don't like the set's titlepage layout 2) footer/header are not justified in the same way as text paragraphs. maybe you are able to he

DOCBOOK: manual chunking with my chunk-manual.xsl

2002-09-06 Thread Janning Vygen
Hi, thanks to norm who wrote this beatiful chunkfast.xsl "just in time". I am writing a customization which can give docbook authors the possibility to chunk section manual by including a http://nwalsh.com/chunk.xsl and http://nwalsh.com/chunkfast.xsl posted earlier today and is only tested

Re: DOCBOOK: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Yann Dirson
On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 09:39:25AM -0400, Norman Walsh wrote: > 3. Some sort of "pizza cutter" a la TEI could be invented to allow > selection of "just the right" elements. (But what will that do to > interchange?!) People tempted by this approach may want to get a look on the dtd-customizer spec

Re: DOCBOOK: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Michael Smith
[this is a long posting -- I didn't have time to make it more concise] Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The recent thread about DocBook and LaTeX raised the issue of the size > of DocBook (measured as the number of elements). (It's not the first > thread to raise the issue, just the mo

Re: DOCBOOK: docbook vs latex

2002-09-06 Thread Matt G.
>From: Doug du Boulay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: DOCBOOK: docbook vs latex >Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:03:22 +0900 > >the tag cleanly separates the actual mathematics from >the surrounding paragraph information. Contrast that with the >relegation of maththeorem to a p