So we ended up with formalgroup: a group of “formal” objects.
Is this made clear in TDG?
https://tdg.docbook.org/tdg/5.2/formalgroup No?
IMHO that might help (general use of 'formal' in db).
History has its place etc.
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> misunderstanding.
So forget it? Just one media as previously?
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> [1] But the content model of imageobject weirdly forbids you from mixing
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nted writing.
Rather contrasting? You're not prepared to alter your schemas, your validation
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For many of us (me included) it is for the better. I took the work the group did
and adapted it for my use? Sounds like you could do the same and are quite
resistant to such adaptation?
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Something many of us do and have done for a long time.
I'm not sure psychological 'barriers' are other than local use constraints?
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The iAnnotate conf videos are online now.
https://web.hypothes.is/blog/ianno21/
Quite a wide use.
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> > What's the logic for making meta
third party and so not part of the actual
> document, but about it.
I agree with your caution Norm. What we do with them up to the user.
Clever lot this docbook team :-)
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> Apart from title and author, IMNSHO metadata is often just tokens (like
> the name="value" above) whereas annotations are more often more like
> sentences.
Yep, NSHO :-)
IMO you're being parochial Peter? Far too narrow for a general use of
annotations?
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Is metadata a subset of annotations (or vice versa)?
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I'll look more at that.
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> I’m pretty sure they’re supported by the xslTNG stylesheets.
What's the logic for making metadata available in HTML please?
(To me) metadata is for 'other purposes' than viewing?
And @ndw - what's your view on the relationship (difference) between metadata
and
better.
Jon Udell and friends presented at https://iannotate.org/2021/
>From which I took a much more general meaning of annotations.
For me, Thomas idea of using annotations within that wider definition
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I think so, and it would be (more) accurate.
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n the different documents I use for example the following commands:
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May be of use.
The original nxml-mode, written for xml + rnc, NOT xhtml.
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I think so. YMMV?
Sorry, many of us moved to RNG/C a long time ago, as a much better
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>>Anything you can do with a DTD you can do with rng/rnc.
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> But surely not in the opposite direction, correct? Which is presumably why
> trang is complaining.
Yes, rng is
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>> There is a relax-ng mode in emacs?
>> Spoiled somewhat from the James Clark original,
>> but still usable?
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> Yes, it is the nXML mode, originating from James C
db._statement.role.attribute = attribute role { text }
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Thanks Chet.
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>> Each time I post I'm gettin
Thanks - so in a book with chapters / sections, I could repeat that
for each chapter.
I like that.
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>> Where's the most obvious place to put a
lable. [DM3NAM03FT033.eop-NAM03.prod.protection.outlook.com]
Giving up on 104.47.41.33.
If it is you, please change it
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(or most usual?)
root is book, db 5
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> I don't know. Probably not. :-)
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I stand corrected.
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>>5.1 is being developed outside of Oasis, prior to submission to Oasis
>> as a candidate standard.
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>> type="application/xml" schematypens="http://purl.oclc.org/dsdl/schematron";?>
>> http://docbook.org/ns/docbook";
>> xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"; version="5.1">
>&g
gt;
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> figure
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address. Take care folk.
I forwarded it to him, unsure if he's aware.
Don't follow any links if you're suspicious.
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>> Is the definition of 'authorInitials' inclusive?
>> JDR (full, inclusive)
>> John D Rockafella (middle/additional)
>>
>>
>> Th
n abbreviated first name.
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So there's no 'moreinfo' then...
(sorry, couldn't resist)
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> was replaced by generalized linking with XLink with an arcrole attribute.
> You can see Norm's ori
Yes, that makes sense.
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> On Thu, 19 May 2016 08:12:36 +0100
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>> I'm curious why Thomas?
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> Because writers are forced to use an ID naming that maybe contradicts
> th
I'm curious why Thomas?
It says suffix, adds a suffix?
Do you want to change the name too?
Just trying to understand.
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> the "DocBook Transclusion" paper[1] defines some attributes
> (trans:idfixup, trans:suffix, and trans:linksco
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> Although @role would be probably one solution, in that case I favor to
> extend the schema. I propose to allow for the following
> reasons:
>
> * There is a need
> * Matches well with ANSI Z535 standard
> * It's consistent with the other adm
What is danger to you might be nothing to me?
I think caution is right or a good compromise. If presentation is an
issue use CSS?
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> a DocBook writer asked me why there is no "danger" element in DocBook.
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> Currently, we have t
if DocBook does not conform to SGML, it would
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ration detailsof Docbook tools.
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> I will test the Markus's suggestion to use the .emacs file of my old
> installation with squeeze.
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> Thank you,
> Markos
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> Em 12-02-2016 17:12, Dave Pawson escreveu:
>>
>> Yes - but it's such a hard task for the fir
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>> Especially if you're new to it all.
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>> You'll need to tell emacs (nxml-mode)
>> 1. Where your schema-locating file is
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>> (setq rng-schema-locating-files '("/sgml/schemas.xml"))
>>
>> 2. In t
You'll need to tell emacs (nxml-mode)
1. Where your schema-locating file is
(setq rng-schema-locating-files '("/sgml/schemas.xml"))
2. In that file, where to find the docbook *(rnc) schema
etc
3. What associations to make (e.g. the root elements you'll be using)
(setq auto-mode-alist
on,
You are free to customize the schema for your own use?
Ditch what you like, add what you like
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ing sect2 in sect1 etc,
Have
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title
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That is simply for appearance sake.
I think it looks better than
sect1
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title
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I did a wikkawiki wiki to docbook once, so I'd guess that *simple*
docbook to wiki wouldn't be a heartache?
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Thats a pattern I used for a value of 100pt or 27.5mm etc.
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tion (e.g. only a weight unit?)
I think it is possible in relax NG, but first what are you looking for?
I guess it isn't the formatted output?
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folder content isn't part of the footnote,
hence should be outside of it?
suggest it is applicable in the more general purpose inline elements
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acronym outside the termdef, but this keeps them together. This
> solution requires no changes to stylesheets or improvements in screen
> reader technology.
+1 on the solution, propose that the acronym come first and that
both are in the termdef markup.
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than the author" that certain Word Processors take. Not nice.
If a transcluded document is validated against docbook, any id/idrefs
with a mismatch will show up.
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or generic and even harder?
My initial reaction is to restrict it to docbook,
If implemented, and if it works well there, then perhaps look for wider
adoption?
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want it and vendors will implement it, we can let other folks
copy it."
I agree about its complexity, perhaps a W3C attitude of 'show me an
implementation then I'll give it a mark of approval' might be
appropriate? I.e. if it proves to be too complex we migh
ts to use good English
practices.
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wcag gives the detail if needed.
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ake the navigation easier, isn't it?
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> Current output demo is at:
> http://www.thingbag.net/docbook/gsoc2010/doc/content/ch01.html
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> Thanks,
> --Kasun
I'm not very impressed with the accessibility Kasun?
Just try tabbing from the address bar?
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e two comments //comment()[1] and 2
which provide the version information?
Ditto assembly, dbits
As provided in docbook.rnc
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with 173 namespaces and 200 customizations :-)
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> >> In fact, I hope that a similar strategy may be chosen for other
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;part' docbook into sub-vocabs
and provide a mechanism whereby any pairing could
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ther project? And what about doing two
> projects?
Makes sense, I don't see why not? Work at the higher level,
mentor at the lower?
Same way you teach at the lower while studying at the higher level?
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the page Stefan, tried to preview it, wiki blew up.
Tried to follow the 'report bug' That blew up too.
I'll try again, but I think this has happened before hasn't it, on the wiki?
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So despite using this open source software, you won't share your
software? OK.
Your critique doesn't stand up Wolfgang.
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You are trying to mix SGML and XML.
find an XML based XHTML DTD and you should be OK
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On 08/09/09 14:09, Norman Walsh wrote:
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OK. Mmm. My problem I guess. I'd always noted odd
'omissions' in tdg, but assumed the content accurate.
Noting it wasn't showing at
http://docbook.org/tdg5/en/html/literal.html
It doesn't show directly, bu
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attribute.
So it is a tdg omission then?
Well. At the very least, it's not very clear :-)
http://docbook.org/tdg5/en/html/ch05.html#ch05-clas
ibute by virtue of being common,
but is defined separate from db.common.attributes so
that it can be customized.
So it is a tdg omission then?
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ole isn't one of them?
yet in the xi schema I see
Inline text that is some literal
value
Is this a docbook omission?
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seen it marked up as speech.
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lowing the formalpara to belong to the formalpara.
Then think of the semantics from the reader viewpoint when he|she is
blind, or using tactile media or audio.
formalpara has one para is easy(ier) to keep in the head.
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describe the parameter data types
describe the function
and present an example.
That seems inline with docbook goals?
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x27;m unsure
Suggestions please.
TIA
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Why not use a bridgehead and multiple paras?
formalpara is singular? Hence one para?
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particularly if certain
aspects of the visual
presentation of the source is required to be captured.
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ument against RELAX NG + Schematron at the
same time.
Where is it documented 'how' to do this please Jirka?
I'll add it to the FAQ.
As part of a validator run or separately?
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On 07/14/2009 11:36 AM, Jirka Kosek wrote:
But more to the core problem. I think that there is no reason for
disallowing indexterms in footnote. Might be it is just unintended error
or some legacy stuff. It seems that DocBook XSL stylesheets are able to
process indexterms in footnote correctly.
line wrapping
is not really an option David?
Also the content must be unchanged when it is extracted for
use as a program.
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extension,
or might it be considered of sufficiently general use
for adoption?
Processing would be to replace the element with
a media appropriate break.
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el that using docbook?
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Keith Fahlgren wrote:
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Dave Pawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
When writing (or talking) about Docbook, are there any conventions
about capitaliz|sing the word?
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When writing (or talking) about Docbook, are there any conventions
about capitaliz|sing the word?
With or without or don't you care?
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, but for the more general one, what markup did you
use? Any example please?
I'm thinking of a typical play script where each role
has a name and a comment or two?
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map, you'd need something to identify a stage direction.
Again, I think (for plays) this warrants a single element?
Too limiting Scott?
seems so common in drama as to be required IMHO.
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that it was worth adding. We definitely thought that they were
drama specific - they would work for screenplays as well as stage
plays I think.
What of the persona Nic? (Only goes back to 1958 as 'personas')
How did you mark up the cast of characters?
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stagedir, as other markup could be used for the same purpose.
We added those (direction, inlinedirection)
Is right? I don't think we need two distinct elements
though? With rng we can define them and process them according to context?
I'm OK with that. Better than Scott? (ve
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