DOCBOOK: Re: Concrete proposal for #480954: Extend textobject toinsert external files

2001-11-30 Thread Karl Eichwalder
Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > inlinemediaobject ::= > (objectinfo?, > textobject+| > ((videoobject|audioobject|imageobject), > (videoobject|audioobject|imageobject|textobject)*)) This looks unclean, sorry. Why can't users use CDATA marked sections? Who cannot use CDATA (or RCDA

RE: DOCBOOK: Re: Concrete proposal for #480954: Extend textobject toinsert external files

2001-11-14 Thread Christopher R. Maden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 08:38 13-11-2001, Peter Ring wrote: >http://www.oreilly.com/people/staff/crism/transclu.html (SGML/XML '97) Just a note: as I left O'Reilly over two years ago, I have no idea how long any content on that web will be available. Please reference

Re: DOCBOOK: Re: Concrete proposal for #480954: Extend textobject toinsert external files

2001-11-13 Thread Yann Dirson
On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 05:38:12PM +0100, Peter Ring wrote: > Wrt. XInclude and SGML, something similar has already been invented > in HyTime, http://www.ornl.gov/sgml/wg8/docs/n1920/html/n1920.html. > A lot of what is being accomplished with XML now was already present > in HyTime five years a

RE: DOCBOOK: Re: Concrete proposal for #480954: Extend textobject toinsert external files

2001-11-13 Thread Peter Ring
IMHO, XInclude is useful for collecting nodes or nodesets from a number of documents. It can be used right away; the biggest problem is actually to customize the DocBook DTD to allow an 'include' element in appropriate places. The XInclude namespace is a non-problem, at least until someone e

Re: DOCBOOK: Re: Concrete proposal for #480954: Extend textobject toinsert external files

2001-11-13 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
At 8:58 AM -0500 11/13/01, Norman Walsh wrote: >But, using XInclude would raise at least the following issues: > >1. Can we limit it to parse=text. I don't think so. If we refer >normatively to XInclude, we have to accept XInclude semantics. > Fine with me. :-) >2. Where would we allow xin

Re: DOCBOOK: Re: Concrete proposal for #480954: Extend textobject toinsert external files

2001-11-13 Thread ydirson
On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 08:58:55AM -0500, Norman Walsh wrote: > 1. Can we limit it to parse=text. I don't think so. If we refer >normatively to XInclude, we have to accept XInclude semantics. Can't we somewhat put the parse attribute to #FIXED ? That would just subset the standard - would be

DOCBOOK: Re: Concrete proposal for #480954: Extend textobject toinsert external files

2001-11-13 Thread Norman Walsh
/ Elliotte Rusty Harold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: | At 12:54 PM -0500 11/12/01, Norman Walsh wrote: | | >In fact, the only reasons I want to pursue this at all, instead of | >simply saying "use XInclude" are that (1) XInclude is not a REC, | | Which do you think is more likely to be

Re: DOCBOOK: Re: Concrete proposal for #480954: Extend textobject toinsert external files

2001-11-12 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
At 12:54 PM -0500 11/12/01, Norman Walsh wrote: >In fact, the only reasons I want to pursue this at all, instead of >simply saying "use XInclude" are that (1) XInclude is not a REC, Which do you think is more likely to be done first? XInclude or Docbook 5? My current understanding is that XInc

DOCBOOK: Re: Concrete proposal for #480954: Extend textobject toinsert external files

2001-11-12 Thread Norman Walsh
/ Phillip Shelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: | By the way, your Concrete proposal only mentions inlinemediaobject. Is it | possible to add this to the mediaobject as well? Yes. But to avoid extra whitespace in (for example), it's better to use

RE: DOCBOOK: Re: Concrete proposal for #480954: Extend textobject toinsert external files

2001-11-12 Thread Phillip Shelton
> -Original Message- [snip] > > I had imagined that the 'fileref' or 'entityref' attributes would be > > sufficient. In any context, > > > > > > > > would insert the contents of somefile.txt as unparsed text (to > > whatever extent that textobject is used). Likewise, in any context: >

Re: DOCBOOK: Re: Concrete proposal for #480954: Extend textobject toinsert external files

2001-11-12 Thread Bob Stayton
> From: Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > / Bob Stayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > | > From: Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] > | > If we do that, I suggest that we change the content model of > | > inlinemediaobject to: > | > > | > inlinemediaobject ::= > | > (objectinfo

DOCBOOK: Re: Concrete proposal for #480954: Extend textobject toinsert external files

2001-11-12 Thread Norman Walsh
/ Bob Stayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: | > From: Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] | > If we do that, I suggest that we change the content model of | > inlinemediaobject to: | > | > inlinemediaobject ::= | > (objectinfo?, | > textobject+| | > ((videoobject|audioobject|imageobj