Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 21:43 -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: > On 7/1/10 9:59 AM +0200 Steffen Kaiser wrote: > > I do _not_ argue about security here. I really wonder why some distros > > still allow ssh-access by default for every user and some don't. Even a > > virtual-user based setup requires system

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Frank Cusack
On 7/1/10 9:59 AM +0200 Steffen Kaiser wrote: I do _not_ argue about security here. I really wonder why some distros still allow ssh-access by default for every user and some don't. Even a virtual-user based setup requires system users, so one cannot ignore uid related security either. huh? no

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 18:16 -0400, Charles Sprickman wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Noel Butler wrote: > > > (I wrote a script to convert from vpopmail structure to a better > > structure when we moved from that mess to postfix/dovecot/mysql a few > > years back, that conversion, including moving m

[Dovecot] do Dovecot userdb and passwd filles need to be postmap'd

2010-07-01 Thread Hans Neukomm
Hi all I am unsure if dovecot files like userdb and passwd also need to be postmap'd i.e. postmap userdb or userdb passwd when I use the typical data format for creating userdp postmap outputs the error > postmap userdb

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot: pop3-login: Internal login failure - howto add dovecot users that are NO server users

2010-07-01 Thread Hans Neukomm
after another day of reading various howtos and trying - still errors > dovecot -n # 1.2.9: /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf # OS: Linux 2.6.31.12-0.2-default x86_64 openSUSE 11.2 (x86_64) base_dir: /var/run/dovecot/ protocols: pop3 ssl: no disable_plaintext_auth: no login_dir: /var/run/dovecot//login

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Charles Sprickman
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Noel Butler wrote: (I wrote a script to convert from vpopmail structure to a better structure when we moved from that mess to postfix/dovecot/mysql a few years back, that conversion, including moving mail took all of 45 minutes, most of that was copying mail, in the early day

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 12:12 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > > > Mail Administration is not complicated, all too many people like to over > > complicate their setups and only cause themselves work. > > > > I've had more than one CEO in the past say to me that they like to see > > key NOC staff d

Re: [Dovecot] address extension going into folder

2010-07-01 Thread Phil Howard
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:56, Edgar Fuß wrote: >> But it (-n) will deliver (rather than reject) into the regular INBOX >> if the folder for the extension does not exist? > Yes, but isn't that what you were asking for? Yes, but your statement was about what you did, and I wasn't sure if your needs

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 1.2.11/ thunderbird 3.1 - moving folders

2010-07-01 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 12:53 -0700, Brad Davidson wrote: > I don't see us being able to go to 2.0 until after it's been out of > beta for a few months. I hate to see the 'current' branch being > deprecated before we have a workable 'stable' alternative to upgrade > to. I can see saying no to fixes f

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-07-01 1:04 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Charles Marcus put forth on 7/1/2010 6:39 AM: >> On 2010-06-30 9:03 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >>> Charles Marcus put forth on 6/30/2010 5:11 PM: Virtual users are extremely simple to setup, no need for MySQL unless you have a bunch. T

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 1.2.11/ thunderbird 3.1 - moving folders

2010-07-01 Thread Brad Davidson
> >> At this point thunderbird shows error-message when i start to delete > >> folder1. It tells: > >> [CANNOT] Mailbox is'nt selectable: folder1. > >> AND > >> [NONEXISTENT] Directory folder1 is'nt empty, can't delete it. > > > > Yeah, it's a bug. Fixed in v2.0 now .. but since v1.2's code is enti

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 1.2.11/ thunderbird 3.1 - moving folders

2010-07-01 Thread Andre Hübner
- Original Message - From: "Timo Sirainen" To: "Andre Hübner" Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 1.2.11/ thunderbird 3.1 - moving folders On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 17:37 +0200, Andre Hübner wrote: i create folder1 for subfolders and in folder1 a

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:12:37 -0500 Stan Hoeppner articulated: > I'd just get a huge kick out of cross posting what the two of you > state here to spam-l and watching you get eaten alive due to this > "runs itself if setup right" hands off management approach to email > systems. Rich would send y

Re: [Dovecot] Upgrade Too 1.2.11 Broke Everything

2010-07-01 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 18:57 +0200, Marcel Grandemange wrote: > I have done all sorts of work arounds now to continue operating without it > by using /var/empty and all that , but now my squirrelmail doesn't work like > it should anymore. Uh. You're now using /var/empty, while originally your mails

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Noel Butler put forth on 7/1/2010 5:32 AM: > On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 06:14 -0400, Jerry wrote: > > >> I agree. If the system is constructed correctly it certainly does not >> need that sort of attention. There is software available that can >> monitor the system to a high degree of satisfaction. Ho

Re: [Dovecot] Upgrade Too 1.2.11 Broke Everything

2010-07-01 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 18:57:11 +0200 Marcel Grandemange articulated: > This is where the fault lies, ive fiddled till I got it working but I > never had to specify a writable unique home directory in the past, it > just worked. I create users via postfixadmin and tried to > specify /var/mail/%u/ as

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Charles Marcus put forth on 7/1/2010 6:39 AM: > On 2010-06-30 9:03 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> Charles Marcus put forth on 6/30/2010 5:11 PM: >>> On 2010-06-29 4:16 PM, /dev/rob0 wrote: Virtual mailboxes have their place, of course, but they're overused, especially at small sites. I suppo

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Noel Butler put forth on 7/1/2010 4:54 AM: > On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 04:01 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > >> Anyone who isn't looking at mail logs or log summaries daily and taking >> action >> on any problems needing attention doesn't count as a mail OP. > > > > That's one of the most ridicul

Re: [Dovecot] Upgrade Too 1.2.11 Broke Everything

2010-07-01 Thread Marcel Grandemange
> I have had dovecot working successfully for years now, however after a > system update , dovecot refused to start up complaing that im not using > absolute paths. > In regards to this file the following was changed to make it work... > > mail_location = mbox:~:INBOX=/var/mail/%u > > Used to be:

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 1.2.11/ thunderbird 3.1 - moving folders

2010-07-01 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 17:37 +0200, Andre Hübner wrote: > i create folder1 for subfolders and in folder1 a folder2 for mails. > Now i create folder3 on toplevel like just like folder1 for subfolders. Now i > drag/dop folder2 to folder3. > Thunderbird is moving this folder successful but in folder1/

[Dovecot] dovecot 1.2.11/ thunderbird 3.1 - moving folders

2010-07-01 Thread Andre Hübner
Hello List, customers telled me problem when moving folders in thunderbird which i can confirm. Following setup on my side: dovecot 1.2.11 with mbox. Thunderbird 3.1 with ready mailaccount and "Server supports folders that contain sub-folders and messages" is disabled. i create folder1 for subf

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 2.0, imap-login killed with signal 11

2010-07-01 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 17:13 +0200, Burckhard Schmidt wrote: > > gdb -p .. > Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. > 0xfed57544 in ?? () > (gdb) bt full > #0 0xfed57544 in ?? () > No symbol table info available. > > I think no "good" result. Yeah, not useful. I think with Solaris y

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 2.0, imap-login killed with signal 11

2010-07-01 Thread Burckhard Schmidt
Am 01.07.2010 16:49, schrieb Timo Sirainen: On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 16:42 +0200, Burckhard Schmidt wrote: imap(userx): Info: Disconnected: Logged out byte... master: Error: service(imap-login): child 20241 killed with signal 11 (core not dumped - set drop_priv_before_exec=yes) Can you get gdb

Re: [Dovecot] address extension going into folder

2010-07-01 Thread Edgar Fuß
> But it (-n) will deliver (rather than reject) into the regular INBOX > if the folder for the extension does not exist? Yes, but isn't that what you were asking for? > I wonder if that ${EXTENSION} works in master.cf. No. In master.cf, its ${extension}.

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 2.0, imap-login killed with signal 11

2010-07-01 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 16:42 +0200, Burckhard Schmidt wrote: > imap(userx): Info: Disconnected: Logged out byte... > master: Error: service(imap-login): child 20241 killed with signal 11 > (core not dumped - set drop_priv_before_exec=yes) Can you get gdb backtrace? The easiest would be if you ma

[Dovecot] dovecot 2.0, imap-login killed with signal 11

2010-07-01 Thread Burckhard Schmidt
Hello, I have 2.0.beta6 (3156315704ef) on Solaris. A user can login, if he makes logout imap-login will be killed with signal 11. I tried both: passdb driver ldap and userdb driver ldap, or passdb driver shadow and userdb driver passwd. processes dovecot 20236 20235 0 14:40:28 ? 0:

Re: [Dovecot] Upgrade Too 1.2.11 Broke Everything

2010-07-01 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Marcel Grandemange wrote: I have had dovecot working successfully for years now, however after a system update , dovecot refused to start up complaing that im not using absolute paths. In regards to this file the following was

Re: [Dovecot] address extension going into folder

2010-07-01 Thread Phil Howard
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 08:47, Edgar Fuß wrote: > With Postfix, I use > mailbox_command = DOVECOT_LDA -n -e -m "${EXTENSION}" > where DOVECOT_LDA is the path do dovecot's deliver. The -n switch prevents > creation of the IMAP folder. > See http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA But it (-n) will deliver (rat

[Dovecot] Upgrade Too 1.2.11 Broke Everything

2010-07-01 Thread Marcel Grandemange
Good Day. I have had dovecot working successfully for years now, however after a system update , dovecot refused to start up complaing that im not using absolute paths. It took a bit of hacking to get it working again as can be seen by the sql query, however now imap doesn't work anymore because o

Re: [Dovecot] address extension going into folder

2010-07-01 Thread Edgar Fuß
With Postfix, I use mailbox_command = DOVECOT_LDA -n -e -m "${EXTENSION}" where DOVECOT_LDA is the path do dovecot's deliver. The -n switch prevents creation of the IMAP folder. See http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA

[Dovecot] address extension going into folder

2010-07-01 Thread Phil Howard
Is it possible with a simple config change to make address extensions, e.g. alice+sa...@example.com, go into a folder, e.g. .INBOX.sales, and do so ONLY if that folder already exists (and just go into INBOX if it does not exist)?

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Phil Howard
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 02:28, Frank Cusack wrote: > On 6/30/10 6:11 PM -0400 Charles Marcus wrote: >> >> That's just plain silly. Virtual users are extremely simple to setup, no >> need for MySQL unless you have a bunch. > > I agree. I am always in favor of virtual users, it just gives you a lot >

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-06-30 9:03 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Charles Marcus put forth on 6/30/2010 5:11 PM: >> On 2010-06-29 4:16 PM, /dev/rob0 wrote: >>> Virtual mailboxes have their place, of course, but they're overused, >>> especially at small sites. I suppose this might be in part because >>> most HOWTOs ar

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 06:14 -0400, Jerry wrote: > I agree. If the system is constructed correctly it certainly does not > need that sort of attention. There is software available that can > monitor the system to a high degree of satisfaction. However, Noel, I > firmly believe that there are OPs (

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 19:54:44 +1000 Noel Butler articulated: > On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 04:01 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > > > Anyone who isn't looking at mail logs or log summaries daily and > > taking action on any problems needing attention doesn't count as a > > mail OP. > > That's one of

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 04:01 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Anyone who isn't looking at mail logs or log summaries daily and taking action > on any problems needing attention doesn't count as a mail OP. That's one of the most ridiculous things I've seen todate. Do you seriously expect ISP admins

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Steffen Kaiser put forth on 7/1/2010 2:59 AM: >> It's more a matter of the individuals skill level. > > Well, a "system user" setup requires almost no skill of mail-related > stuff ;-) Setup? I'd agree--not a lot of skill required. Managing it afterward? That requires mail admin skills, regard

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot ldap search result ordering?

2010-07-01 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 26 Jun 2010, chasye wrote: pass_attrs = mail=user, uid=userdb_home=/home/xadmin/%d/%$,userPassword=password pass_filter = (&(objectClass=posixAccount)(uid=%u)) default_pass_scheme = SSHA user_attrs = mail=user, uid=home=/home/xadmin/%d/%$ u

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-06-29 4:16 PM, /dev/rob0 wrote: Virtual mailboxes have their place, of course, but they're overused, especially at small sites. I suppose this might be in part because most HOWTOs are for virtual.

Re: [Dovecot] Dovecot LDA/LDAP

2010-07-01 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Frank den Hartog wrote: My system runs CentOS 5.5, Postfix 2.3.3 and Dovecot 1.2.11. I try to set up Dovecot LDA. But whatever I'm trying, I fail. 2010-06-30T18:28:12.585128+02:00 h1690641 postfix/pipe[26443]: 84F012A00A55: t

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Noel Butler
On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 18:11 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: > but if they don't virtual users is > just as easy/legitimate as system users with no shell access. I agree, virtual users are not only easier to deal with, it gives you greater flexibility, but most importantly, better security. in the