Re: [Dovecot] dovecot and nfs readdir vs readdirplus operations

2012-07-05 Thread Angel L. Mateo
El 05/07/12 07:49, Timo Sirainen escribió: On 5.7.2012, at 8.44, Angel L. Mateo wrote: El 04/07/12 23:55, Timo Sirainen escribió: Also maildir_very_dirty_syncs=yes improves performance by reducing readdirs. It's safe to use as long as only Dovecot is reading the Maildir. Is it

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Adrian M
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: On 7/4/2012 4:09 PM, Adrian Minta wrote: On 07/04/12 23:22, J E Lyon wrote: On 4 Jul 2012, at 21:01, Adrian Minta wrote: What is the best strategy to add another storage to an existing virtual mail system ? Move

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Timo Sirainen
On 5.7.2012, at 10.44, Adrian M wrote: All this is telling me that is safer to have two or tree smaller filesystems than a big one. Dovecot has a nice feature for this Directory hashing http://wiki.dovecot.org/MailLocation/ What I don't know is a nice way to migrate from a single directory

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/5/2012 2:44 AM, Adrian M wrote: Hi Stan, I know how to add drives to the storage and how to grow the existing filesystem, but such big filesystems are somehow new to mainstream linux. Yes, I know some university out there already have pentabytes filesystems, but right now stable linux

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Kaya Saman
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: On 7/5/2012 2:44 AM, Adrian M wrote: Hi Stan, I know how to add drives to the storage and how to grow the existing filesystem, but such big filesystems are somehow new to mainstream linux. Yes, I know some

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread J E Lyon
On 5 Jul 2012, at 08:44, Adrian M wrote: Hi Stan, I know how to add drives to the storage and how to grow the existing filesystem, but such big filesystems are somehow new to mainstream linux. Yes, I know some university out there already have pentabytes filesystems, but right now stable

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread J E Lyon
On 5 Jul 2012, at 10:45, Kaya Saman wrote: But then one must think, do I really want to switch OS? I heard a rumour that switching OS is sometimes harder than adding a mountpoint :) J.

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Kaya Saman
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:48 AM, J E Lyon role.dovecot-read...@jlassocs.com wrote: On 5 Jul 2012, at 10:45, Kaya Saman wrote: But then one must think, do I really want to switch OS? I heard a rumour that switching OS is sometimes harder than adding a mountpoint :) J. It can be! That's

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread J E Lyon
On 5 Jul 2012, at 10:55, Kaya Saman wrote: That's why I'm not even thinking of migrating the mission critical stuff running on CentOS 5 to even CentOS 6 yet. I'm in an identical position there -- and in fact, I think it's time to get some virtualised hosting of CentOS 6 servers, once I decide

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Adrian M
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: On 7/5/2012 2:44 AM, Adrian M wrote: Hi Stan, I know how to add drives to the storage and how to grow the existing filesystem, but such big filesystems are somehow new to mainstream linux. Yes, I know some

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Adrian M
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:46 PM, J E Lyon role.dovecot-read...@jlassocs.com wrote: When I first saw you mention hashing, I misread it as some sort of hash-table approach to large directories that I wasn't aware of, or something . . And now I've read the Dovecot documentation, I see what

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Kaya Saman
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:01 AM, J E Lyon role.dovecot-read...@jlassocs.com wrote: On 5 Jul 2012, at 10:55, Kaya Saman wrote: That's why I'm not even thinking of migrating the mission critical stuff running on CentOS 5 to even CentOS 6 yet. I'm in an identical position there -- and in fact,

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
It absolutely kills me every time I see a mail server admin display almost total lack of knowledge of his/her storage back end, or the inability to describe it technically, in an email... You should get used to this. Welcome in XXI century! The rule is amount of real knowledge*official paper

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2012-07-05 5:45 AM, Kaya Saman kayasa...@gmail.com wrote: FreeBSD 8.2 x64 running on VMware Hi Kaya, Do you (or anyone else) know of any decent VMWare images (appliance) of current version of FreeBSD? I've been debating on switching from Gentoo to FreeBSD for a while now, and would love

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.07.2012 12:33, schrieb Charles Marcus: On 2012-07-05 5:45 AM, Kaya Saman kayasa...@gmail.com wrote: FreeBSD 8.2 x64 running on VMware Hi Kaya, Do you (or anyone else) know of any decent VMWare images (appliance) of current version of FreeBSD? I've been debating on switching from

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Kaya Saman
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: On 2012-07-05 5:45 AM, Kaya Saman kayasa...@gmail.com wrote: FreeBSD 8.2 x64 running on VMware Hi Kaya, Do you (or anyone else) know of any decent VMWare images (appliance) of current version of FreeBSD? I've

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
this is actually offtopic from the OP however, feel free to PM with any questions you have :-) However, in response I didn't use any images, just the simple FreeBSD 8.2 AMD64 ISO. and installed from there. and it will work on many VM systems. And works best without any VM overlay.

[Dovecot] Dovecot mailstorage migration uppon logging / delivery with dsync

2012-07-05 Thread Xavier Beaudouin
Hi there, I have a pretty standard setup with simple dovecot 2,0 configuration (eg /var/mailboxes on NFS with old netapp) and local ldap directory and Maildir. I wanted to find a good way to migrate from NFS old netapp to NFS new server (this one is not a netapp !). There 3 kind way

Re: [Dovecot] Dovecot mailstorage migration uppon logging / delivery with dsync

2012-07-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I wanted to find a good way to migrate from NFS old netapp to NFS new server (this one is not a netapp !). why not just attaching disks directly? going from older nonsense to newer one :) There 3 kind way (according to my own experience) - rsync old spool to new spool being patient stop

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
~ James. Thank you, this is a valid suggestion, especially since it could be done directly with some SQL magic in dovecot config file. I will consider this option ! as i always run dovecot using standard unix auth/password mechanism and mail user is always unix user, then it is rather

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Am however, trying to do all clean installs on FreeBSD where I **can ** get away with it. right. Ok this may sound incredibly sad so don't sue me for it, but for my OpenSource work at home I have switched over from 15+ Linux servers down to 1x FreeBSD system running Jails. quite a common

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
At 16TB+ scale with maildir you should be using XFS on kernel 3.x, not EXT4. Your performance will be significantly better, as in 30% or much why you want to make 16TB partition at first place?

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot and nfs readdir vs readdirplus operations

2012-07-05 Thread Angel L. Mateo
El 04/07/12 23:55, Timo Sirainen escribió: On 4.7.2012, at 21.49, Angel L. Mateo wrote: Although nfs configuration is the same, there are a lot of differences on readdir vs readdirplus nfs operations. In fact, in the old one we have 12% readdir operations and 3% of readdirplus. And

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot and nfs readdir vs readdirplus operations

2012-07-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
(thousands of mails) in maildir format, this is small folders. From my practice average are 1-2 mails. Huge are over 15.

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot and nfs readdir vs readdirplus operations

2012-07-05 Thread Timo Sirainen
On 5.7.2012, at 15.55, Angel L. Mateo wrote: Concluding... in my systems, with users with hugh mail folders (thousands of mails) in maildir format, disabling rdirplus with mount options (mount option nordirplus) increases performance (maybe we could do more precise test and this

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot and nfs readdir vs readdirplus operations

2012-07-05 Thread Mauricio López Riffo
Timo, For Netapp NFS mailstorage, what options can use for mount point nfs? for better perfomance with huge maildir folders? (most of my customers use pop3 protocol instead imap) Any kernel customize? All of my mta servers is Centos 6 Regards El 05-07-2012 10:46, Timo Sirainen

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot and nfs readdir vs readdirplus operations

2012-07-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
this is small folders. From my practice average are 1-2 mails. Huge are over 15. did tests with artifically created million mail folder. except i needed to rise vsize limit of dovecot process in config , and except first index creation it works smooth with dovecot taking

Re: [Dovecot] Dsync replication

2012-07-05 Thread Костырев Александр Алексеевич
use the search, Luke) http://www.dovecot.org/list/dovecot/2012-March/064512.html this thread was all that I needed to setup replication for testing. -Original Message- From: dovecot-boun...@dovecot.org [mailto:dovecot-boun...@dovecot.org] On Behalf Of l...@airstreamcomm.net Sent:

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/5/2012 6:36 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: At 16TB+ scale with maildir you should be using XFS on kernel 3.x, not EXT4. Your performance will be significantly better, as in 30% or much why you want to make 16TB partition at first place? You wouldn't partition the large LUN. You'd simply