[Dovecot] fts-lucene vs SEARCH HEADER

2012-07-24 Thread Matthew Powell
Hello. This is in Dovecot 2.1.7 on Linux x86, but it looks as though 2.1.8 has the same issue. I'm using fts-lucene. SEARCH HEADER TO returns no results, but SEARCH TO works: B SEARCH TO TEST * SEARCH 1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 24 26 27 28 29 31 B OK Search completed (

[Dovecot] Sieve & Adding headers.

2012-07-24 Thread Steven Haigh
Hi all, I've just migrated my mail system from procmail to managesieve/sieve and I'm having trouble trying to duplicate a could of rules I used to use in my procmail config. One particular rule would be this: :0 Wfh * ^Sender: owner-scientific-linux-de...@listserv.fnal.gov | (sed -e '/^Subjec

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Noel Butler
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 10:16 -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: > Try this: > > http://www.junkemailfilter.com/spam/ > It's also a good idea to place a disclaimer when advertising _your_ products and services on someone else's list > On 7/23/2012 8:58 PM, fy wrote: > > what anti-spam for you used ? ds

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Noel Butler
and like all the other constant off-topic crud here, you are free to filter it out if you don't wish to see it. On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 15:46 +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > People, > > this is a mailing list dedicated to Dovecot and the protocols POP, IMAP and > MANAGESIEVE with the one or

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Noel Butler
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 15:31 +0200, Markus Schönhaber wrote: > 24.07.2012 14:30, Noel Butler: > > > On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 14:06 +0200, Markus Schönhaber wrote: > > > >> You must not accept mail you are unwilling or unable to deliver - ever! > > > > > > That insisted behaviour was changed four

[Dovecot] SSL Warnings in Debug Logs

2012-07-24 Thread Asai
Greetings, In doing some debugging of authentication issues, I'm wondering if these SSL warnings are anything to be investigating? Jul 24 11:23:16 triata dovecot: imap-login: Warning: SSL: where=0x10, ret=1: before/accept initialization [192.168.70.101] Jul 24 11:23:16 triata dovecot: imap-lo

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Marc Perkel
Try this: http://www.junkemailfilter.com/spam/ On 7/23/2012 8:58 PM, fy wrote: > what anti-spam for you used ? dspam?spammassian? amavisd-new ? what is > best ? > > >

Re: [Dovecot] deleted-to-trash plugin problems

2012-07-24 Thread J E Lyon
On 24 Jul 2012, at 15:51, Steve Platt wrote: > We have a user who wants to use Outlook with our Dovecot IMAP server but > doesn't like the way Outlook handles deletion with IMAP. > > Ironically she would like Outlook to move the message to her Trash folder, > just like Outlook does with "local"

Re: [Dovecot] deleted-to-trash plugin problems

2012-07-24 Thread Scott Silva
on 7/24/2012 7:51 AM Steve Platt spake the following: > We have a user who wants to use Outlook with our Dovecot IMAP server but > doesn't like the way Outlook handles deletion with IMAP. > > Ironically she would like Outlook to move the message to her Trash folder, > just like Outlook does with "

[Dovecot] deleted-to-trash plugin problems

2012-07-24 Thread Steve Platt
We have a user who wants to use Outlook with our Dovecot IMAP server but doesn't like the way Outlook handles deletion with IMAP. Ironically she would like Outlook to move the message to her Trash folder, just like Outlook does with "local" folders, I guess. So I enabled the "deleted-to-trash

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Jacek Osiecki
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 7/24/2012 7:13 AM, Morten Stevens wrote: [...] Jul 24 12:50:53 mx1 sendmail[32518]: q6OARUOM031928: to=, delay=00:23:23, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=esmtp, pri=332317, relay=mail.netbsd.org. [149.20.53.66], dsn=4.7.1, stat=Deferred: 450 4.7.1 : Recipie

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
People, this is a mailing list dedicated to Dovecot and the protocols POP, IMAP and MANAGESIEVE with the one or the other detour to storage. Greylisting and other Anti-Spam techniques, as discussed in this thread, truely are off-topic. Please take discussion offlist or to another list that deals

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Markus Schönhaber
24.07.2012 14:30, Noel Butler: > On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 14:06 +0200, Markus Schönhaber wrote: > >> You must not accept mail you are unwilling or unable to deliver - ever! > > > That insisted behaviour was changed four years ago, read up on RFC 5321 Where does it say so? > IIRC I doubt you

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Arnaud Abélard
On 07/24/2012 02:06 PM, Markus Schönhaber wrote: 24.07.2012 11:57, Arnaud Abélard: - With greylisting we aren't rejecting potentially spammy mails, we are rejecting misbehaving servers. That's important, legally speaking. We could be in trouble if we rejected an important mail by mistake when o

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Noel Butler
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 07:22 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > On 7/24/2012 7:13 AM, Morten Stevens wrote: > > > Jul 24 12:27:32 mx1 sendmail[31933]: q6OARUOM031928: > > to=, delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, > > pri=152317, relay=dovecot.org. [193.210.130.67], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent > > (O

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Noel Butler
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 14:06 +0200, Markus Schönhaber wrote: > You must not accept mail you are unwilling or unable to deliver - ever! That insisted behaviour was changed four years ago, read up on RFC 5321 IIRC signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2012-07-24 3:16 AM, Arnaud Abélard wrote: And first of all, even if this is not dovecot related, use a greylisting solution. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't postscreen mostly make greylisting unnecessary? -- Best regards, Charles

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/24/2012 7:13 AM, Morten Stevens wrote: > Jul 24 12:27:32 mx1 sendmail[31933]: q6OARUOM031928: > to=, delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, > pri=152317, relay=dovecot.org. [193.210.130.67], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent > (Ok: queued as 35AF81AE8359) > Jul 24 12:28:32 mx1 sendmail[31933]: q6O

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Morten Stevens
On 24.07.2012 13:44, m...@netbsd.org wrote: Morten Stevens wrote: So it is now RFC compliant. Anyway I think delaying mail traffic is not a good solution. This is why whitelists and autowhilists are used in greylist filters. Okay, and where are your whitelists at netbsd.org? I've sent an

Re: [Dovecot] maildir_copy_with_hardlinks on v.2.0.19

2012-07-24 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2012-07-23 3:12 PM, mailing list subscriber wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 2:59 PM, mailing list subscriber wrote: I'm trying to get the so-called "single instance store" (I think cyrus has got the name for the first time) with dovecot --version = 2.0.19 binary package installed from ubuntu 1

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Markus Schönhaber
24.07.2012 11:57, Arnaud Abélard: > - With greylisting we aren't rejecting potentially spammy mails, we are > rejecting misbehaving servers. That's important, legally speaking. We > could be in trouble if we rejected an important mail by mistake when our > server actually accepted it. That's s

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Emmanuel Dreyfus
Morten Stevens wrote: > So it is now RFC compliant. Anyway I think delaying mail traffic is not > a good solution. This is why whitelists and autowhilists are used in greylist filters. -- Emmanuel Dreyfus http://hcpnet.free.fr/pubz m...@netbsd.org

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 24.07.2012 10:41, schrieb fy: > 于 2012/7/24 16:29, Robert Schetterer 写道: >> Am 24.07.2012 10:22, schrieb fy: >>> 于 2012/7/24 15:16, Arnaud Abélard 写道: On 07/24/2012 06:49 AM, Noel Butler wrote: > On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 11:58 +0800, fy wrote: > >> what anti-spam for you used ? dsp

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Morten Stevens
On 24.07.2012 12:51, Joseph Tam wrote: Morten Stevens writes: So it is now RFC compliant. Anyway I think delaying mail traffic is not a good solution. Well, OK, if you not keen on greylisting, you can try greet pausing, which introduces a shorter delay. It tests a bot's patience by inserti

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Warren Baker
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Joseph Tam wrote: > > Well, OK, if you not keen on greylisting, you can try greet pausing, > which introduces a shorter delay. > This, works well. Interesting your sweet spot is around 20seconds, I found 13s to be the right mark. -- .warren

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Morten Stevens
On 24.07.2012 12:33, Noel Butler wrote: When we looked at it years ago, it did little to stem the tide of spam, all it did was over give us a negative impact by delays of legit mail, some servers are also poorly configured and dont try resend for a long period of time, especially if their que

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Joseph Tam
Morten Stevens writes: So it is now RFC compliant. Anyway I think delaying mail traffic is not a good solution. Well, OK, if you not keen on greylisting, you can try greet pausing, which introduces a shorter delay. It tests a bot's patience by inserting a pre-HELO pause. RFC allows 5 minute

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht > Datum: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:57:18 +0200 > Von: Radim Kolar > An: Dovecot Mailing List > Betreff: Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter? > > The RICE university is using dspam on about 65K mailboxes without > issues: http://it.rice.edu/spam.aspx > it

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Noel Butler
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 11:12 +0200, Warren Baker wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Morten Stevens > wrote: > > No, greylisting is really a bad solution. It is not RFC compliant and delays > > the mail traffic. > > Since when? RFC5321 was updated to handle delays and then there is RFC6647

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Morten Stevens
On 24.07.2012 11:50, Emmanuel Dreyfus wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:49:48AM +0200, Morten Stevens wrote: No, greylisting is really a bad solution. It is not RFC compliant Of course it is. Have you readen RFC 6647? Okay, you're right. Here is it from June 2012: http://www.ietf.org/mail-a

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter? [greylisting]

2012-07-24 Thread Emmanuel Dreyfus
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:03:55PM +0200, Andrzej A. Filip wrote: > Have you considered using some dnswl (whitelist) to turn off greylisting > for some hosts? I do not do it, but it is trivial to configure milter-greylist for that usage: just add a whitelist acl based on a DNSRBL lookup. -- Emma

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter? [greylisting]

2012-07-24 Thread Andrzej A. Filip
On 07/24/2012 11:45 AM, Emmanuel Dreyfus wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 03:38:00AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> Greylisting only stops bots. It is resource intensive, and causes >> delivery delays. There exist bot spam killing solutions that are just >> as effective, with less downside. Two

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Arnaud Abélard
On 07/24/2012 10:38 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 7/24/2012 2:16 AM, Arnaud Abélard wrote: And first of all, even if this is not dovecot related, use a greylisting solution. Greylisting only stops bots. It is resource intensive, and causes delivery delays. There exist bot spam killing solutio

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Arnaud Abélard
On 07/24/2012 10:49 AM, Morten Stevens wrote: On 24.07.2012 09:16, Arnaud Abélard wrote: And first of all, even if this is not dovecot related, use a greylisting solution. No, greylisting is really a bad solution. It is not RFC compliant and delays the mail traffic. I would prefer a pre-queu

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Radim Kolar
The RICE university is using dspam on about 65K mailboxes without issues: http://it.rice.edu/spam.aspx it works with such large number of user only if you use group shared spam/ham dictionaries.

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Emmanuel Dreyfus
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:49:48AM +0200, Morten Stevens wrote: > No, greylisting is really a bad solution. It is not RFC compliant Of course it is. Have you readen RFC 6647? > and delays the mail traffic. Greylisting with whitelist and reputation-based greylisting delay makes it painless. --

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Emmanuel Dreyfus
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 03:38:00AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Greylisting only stops bots. It is resource intensive, and causes > delivery delays. There exist bot spam killing solutions that are just > as effective, with less downside. Two are Postfix' postscreen daemon, > and fqrdns.pcre, wh

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Markus Schönhaber
24.07.2012 10:49, Morten Stevens: > No, greylisting is really a bad solution. It is not RFC compliant and > delays the mail traffic. No. Rejecting mail with an temporary error is perfectly RFC compliant. It happens all the time without greylisting. Because the authors of the SMTP RFC knew that t

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Warren Baker
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Morten Stevens wrote: > No, greylisting is really a bad solution. It is not RFC compliant and delays > the mail traffic. Since when? RFC5321 was updated to handle delays and then there is RFC6647. -- .warren

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht > Datum: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 08:20:08 +0200 > Von: Radim Kolar > An: fy > CC: dovecot@dovecot.org > Betreff: Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter? > > > what anti-spam for you used ? dspam?spammassian? amavisd-new ? what is > > best ? > i got best resu

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht > Datum: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:49:48 +0200 > Von: Morten Stevens > An: Dovecot Mailing List > Betreff: Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter? > On 24.07.2012 09:16, Arnaud Abélard wrote: > > > And first of all, even if this is not dovecot related, use

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Morten Stevens
On 24.07.2012 09:16, Arnaud Abélard wrote: And first of all, even if this is not dovecot related, use a greylisting solution. No, greylisting is really a bad solution. It is not RFC compliant and delays the mail traffic. I would prefer a pre-queue content-filtering solution like MIMEDefang

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Radim Kolar
> what anti-spam for you used ? dspam?spammassian? amavisd-new ? what is > best ? i got best results with dspam + graylist. but dspam is not scalable solution, it works only if you do not have many users.

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread fy
于 2012/7/24 16:29, Robert Schetterer 写道: Am 24.07.2012 10:22, schrieb fy: 于 2012/7/24 15:16, Arnaud Abélard 写道: On 07/24/2012 06:49 AM, Noel Butler wrote: On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 11:58 +0800, fy wrote: what anti-spam for you used ? dspam?spammassian? amavisd-new ? what is best ? amavisd-new

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/24/2012 2:16 AM, Arnaud Abélard wrote: > And first of all, even if this is not dovecot related, use a greylisting > solution. Greylisting only stops bots. It is resource intensive, and causes delivery delays. There exist bot spam killing solutions that are just as effective, with less down

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 24.07.2012 10:22, schrieb fy: > 于 2012/7/24 15:16, Arnaud Abélard 写道: >> On 07/24/2012 06:49 AM, Noel Butler wrote: >>> On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 11:58 +0800, fy wrote: >>> what anti-spam for you used ? dspam?spammassian? amavisd-new ? what is best ? >>> >>> >>> amavisd-new with spamassass

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread fy
于 2012/7/24 15:16, Arnaud Abélard 写道: On 07/24/2012 06:49 AM, Noel Butler wrote: On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 11:58 +0800, fy wrote: what anti-spam for you used ? dspam?spammassian? amavisd-new ? what is best ? amavisd-new with spamassassin and anti virus scanner, clamav with sanesecurity rules us

Re: [Dovecot] Fwd: official dev team position regarding multiple times requested feature (global sieve)

2012-07-24 Thread mailing list subscriber
sorry folks, please ignore me. my head is is spinning trying to get hardlinks and default sieve script working at the same time, writing to dovecot and cyrus at the same time. one is doing the hardlink part good, and the other the sieve. both fail to get both features right at the same time. the pr

Re: [Dovecot] Fwd: official dev team position regarding multiple times requested feature (global sieve)

2012-07-24 Thread Stephan Bosch
What is the purpose of this posting? On 7/24/2012 9:27 AM, mailing list subscriber wrote: forwarding to the proper list address since your reply came with a Reply-To header Regards, Stephan.

[Dovecot] Fwd: official dev team position regarding multiple times requested feature (global sieve)

2012-07-24 Thread mailing list subscriber
forwarding to the proper list address since your reply came with a Reply-To header -- Forwarded message -- From: mailing list subscriber Date: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:24 AM Subject: Re: official dev team position regarding multiple times requested feature (global sieve) To: awill.

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Arnaud Abélard
On 07/24/2012 06:49 AM, Noel Butler wrote: On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 11:58 +0800, fy wrote: what anti-spam for you used ? dspam?spammassian? amavisd-new ? what is best ? amavisd-new with spamassassin and anti virus scanner, clamav with sanesecurity rules use enforcing rules in mail server, like