Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-08 Thread Maarten Bezemer
On Thu, 7 Jun 2012, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.06.2012 23:59, schrieb Ed W: I'm not sure why this is so hard to believe. There is literally a class of customers that have a specification which says that there must be a notification sent back to the sender whenever they download their

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.06.2012 23:59, schrieb Ed W: I'm not sure why this is so hard to believe. There is literally a class of customers that have a specification which says that there must be a notification sent back to the sender whenever they download their emails. I cannot currently bid for their

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-06 Thread Ed W
On 04/06/2012 15:14, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 04.06.2012 15:36, schrieb Ed W: Then tell them their only option is to buy Exchange Server and Outlook for everyone - but explain that this 'feature' *still* will not work for recipients that are outside of your control (ie, it will only work for

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-04 Thread Ed W
On 03/06/2012 14:46, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2012-06-03 4:43 AM, Ed W li...@wildgooses.com wrote: Look, I can argue against the idea easily, personally my objection is mail loops, but the point is that the customer demands it, and at present that prevents me bidding for certain types of

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-04 Thread Ed W
On 03/06/2012 18:26, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 03.06.2012 19:21, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: On 06/03/12 12:06, Robert Schetterer wrote: Am 03.06.2012 16:24, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: I for one think the plugin is a good idea. what the hell , should the plugin do and how ? there is smtp dsn,

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.06.2012 15:36, schrieb Ed W: Then tell them their only option is to buy Exchange Server and Outlook for everyone - but explain that this 'feature' *still* will not work for recipients that are outside of your control (ie, it will only work for local recipients - and I *think* it is

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-04 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 04.06.2012 15:36, schrieb Ed W: I think you know about the MailASail business. We run small ISP selling mail accounts to customers. *our customers* want to voluntarily tell senders when they have downloaded an email via POP. The basic requirement is when the message is accessed via POP,

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Linda Walsh
Ed W wrote: Just to register interest, but at some point I will need to consider writing a plugin or similar to achieve exactly this. Situation is that several of our competitors offer such a feature, ie known pool of users on dialup or intermittently connected systems, provide an alert

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Ed W
On 03/06/2012 09:06, Linda Walsh wrote: Ed W wrote: Just to register interest, but at some point I will need to consider writing a plugin or similar to achieve exactly this. Situation is that several of our competitors offer such a feature, ie known pool of users on dialup or

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.06.2012 10:43, schrieb Ed W: Please folks - don't argue with me - I'm the wrong person! The recipient who is receiving these emails, ie the person being bugged is demanding that they are buggable. If they demand it and it's a requirement for providing them service then I have to

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 03.06.2012 10:43, schrieb Ed W: On 03/06/2012 09:06, Linda Walsh wrote: Ed W wrote: Just to register interest, but at some point I will need to consider writing a plugin or similar to achieve exactly this. Situation is that several of our competitors offer such a feature, ie known pool

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2012-06-03 4:43 AM, Ed W li...@wildgooses.com wrote: Look, I can argue against the idea easily, personally my objection is mail loops, but the point is that the customer demands it, and at present that prevents me bidding for certain types of business... Basically the customer just wants to

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 06/03/12 04:43, Ed W wrote: Look, I can argue against the idea easily, personally my objection is mail loops, but the point is that the customer demands it, and at present that prevents me bidding for certain types of business... Basically the customer just wants to repro what they

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 03.06.2012 16:24, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: On 06/03/12 04:43, Ed W wrote: Look, I can argue against the idea easily, personally my objection is mail loops, but the point is that the customer demands it, and at present that prevents me bidding for certain types of business...

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 06/03/12 12:06, Robert Schetterer wrote: Am 03.06.2012 16:24, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: I for one think the plugin is a good idea. what the hell , should the plugin do and how ? there is smtp dsn, nothing more makes sense looking to the thread subject , you need to have new internet

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.06.2012 19:21, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: On 06/03/12 12:06, Robert Schetterer wrote: Am 03.06.2012 16:24, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: I for one think the plugin is a good idea. what the hell , should the plugin do and how ? there is smtp dsn, nothing more makes sense looking to the

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 06/03/12 13:26, Reindl Harald wrote: and now tell us how you connect YOUR sent message over SMTP to any seen fleeg of another user? Dovecot could write directly to their mailbox. Otherwise, it could do whatever the sieve vacation plugin does. The worst possible thing that can happen

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.06.2012 20:11, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: On 06/03/12 13:26, Reindl Harald wrote: and now tell us how you connect YOUR sent message over SMTP to any seen fleeg of another user? Dovecot could write directly to their mailbox. Otherwise, it could do whatever the sieve vacation plugin

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:19:20 +0200 Reindl Harald articulated: people are mostly to stupid to realize what they are trying to accomplish and why it it a bad idea this is why we professionals exist and if people refuse what you are explaining them kiss them goodbye - irt will be better for you

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.06.2012 20:54, schrieb Jerry: On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:19:20 +0200 Reindl Harald articulated: people are mostly to stupid to realize what they are trying to accomplish and why it it a bad idea this is why we professionals exist and if people refuse what you are explaining them kiss

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 03.06.2012 19:26, schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 03.06.2012 19:21, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: On 06/03/12 12:06, Robert Schetterer wrote: Am 03.06.2012 16:24, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: I for one think the plugin is a good idea. what the hell , should the plugin do and how ? there is smtp

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Richard
Date: Sunday, June 03, 2012 02:54:32 PM -0400 From: Jerry je...@seibercom.net On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:19:20 +0200 Reindl Harald articulated: people are mostly to stupid to realize what they are trying to accomplish and why it it a bad idea this is why we professionals exist and if

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Tamsy
Richard wrote the following on 04.06.2012 05:20: Date: Sunday, June 03, 2012 02:54:32 PM -0400 From: Jerryje...@seibercom.net On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:19:20 +0200 Reindl Harald articulated: people are mostly to stupid to realize what they are trying to accomplish and why it it a bad idea

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-02 Thread Ed W
On 14/05/2012 17:38, Timo Sirainen wrote: On Mon, 2012-05-14 at 08:56 -0700, Beto Moreno wrote: I have seen some emails servers that if I send a email to other person I can see if that person have read our emails and with a option to delete the email if the person hasn't read our email.

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.06.2012 11:53, schrieb Ed W: On 14/05/2012 17:38, Timo Sirainen wrote: On Mon, 2012-05-14 at 08:56 -0700, Beto Moreno wrote: I have seen some emails servers that if I send a email to other person I can see if that person have read our emails and with a option to delete the email if

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-02 Thread Brett @Google
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote: Am 02.06.2012 11:53, schrieb Ed W: On 14/05/2012 17:38, Timo Sirainen wrote: On Mon, 2012-05-14 at 08:56 -0700, Beto Moreno wrote: I have seen some emails servers that if I send a email to other person I can

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-05-16 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Ter, 15 Mai 2012, Joseph Tam wrote: It works by placing innocuous individualized tags in HTML formatted Email e.g. img src=http://your.domain/?id={hash} that downloads a 1x1 dot). You can then correlate web logs with the hashes to see which messages got rendered. A hit does not necessarily

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-05-15 Thread Beto Moreno
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: On 5/14/2012 7:18 PM, Beto Moreno wrote: This feature I'm speaking is users from the same domain not externals domains. Maybe is a Exchange feature I don't know because I have seen the email client but just the

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-05-15 Thread Joseph Tam
On Tue, 15 May 2012, Stan Hoeppner writes This unsend feature was created to protect idiots from themselves, nothing more. Which is why the IETF draft went nowhere. You can only fix some types of human stupidity with software. This is not one of them. I thought someone could make money

[Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-05-14 Thread Beto Moreno
Hi. I have seen some emails servers that if I send a email to other person I can see if that person have read our emails and with a option to delete the email if the person hasn't read our email. Does dovecot have some like this feature? Thanks!!!

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-05-14 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Beto Moreno pam...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I have seen some emails servers that if I send a email to other person I can see if that person have read our emails and with a option to delete the email if the person hasn't read our email. Does dovecot have some

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-05-14 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Mon, 2012-05-14 at 08:56 -0700, Beto Moreno wrote: I have seen some emails servers that if I send a email to other person I can see if that person have read our emails and with a option to delete the email if the person hasn't read our email. Does dovecot have some like this feature?

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-05-14 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.05.2012 17:56, schrieb Beto Moreno: Hi. I have seen some emails servers that if I send a email to other person I can see if that person have read our emails and with a option to delete the email if the person hasn't read our email. Does dovecot have some like this feature?

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-05-14 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Mon, 2012-05-14 at 18:45 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: I have seen some emails servers that if I send a email to other person I can see if that person have read our emails and with a option to delete the email if the person hasn't read our email. Does dovecot have some like this

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-05-14 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 14 May 2012 19:55:16 +0300 Timo Sirainen articulated: On Mon, 2012-05-14 at 18:45 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: I have seen some emails servers that if I send a email to other person I can see if that person have read our emails and with a option to delete the email if the person

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-05-14 Thread Beto Moreno
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2012 19:55:16 +0300 Timo Sirainen articulated: On Mon, 2012-05-14 at 18:45 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:  I have seen some emails servers that if I send a email to other person I can see if that person have read

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-05-14 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/14/2012 7:18 PM, Beto Moreno wrote: This feature I'm speaking is users from the same domain not externals domains. Maybe is a Exchange feature I don't know because I have seen the email client but just the client side and don't have any contact with the IT side. I've only seen this