On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:07:20 +0100
Ed articulated:
> Err to be fair, I was about to reply and say that it's IS achievable,
> but on the flip side I would concede that it does require a bit of
> thought to make this stuff work correctly. I think you are being a
> bit harsh to suggest it's *that
On 23/04/2010 15:51, Jerry wrote:
There are numerous ways to export/backup a live MySQL database. I have
employed several of them myself. You might want to check out this URL
for starters:
http://www.noupe.com/how-tos/10-ways-to-automatically-manually-backup-mysql-database.html
Your statement t
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:03:02 -0400
Phil articulated:
> You rsync the files an SQL database (like MySQL) works from, and don't
> expect corruption? That's only safe if the database is synced and
> shut down. I don't want to be doing that. If I did run a database
> engine, it would have to impor
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:23 AM, Ed W wrote:
> P.S. The "idiot" who kept breaking the plain text format file in my
> original setup was da da ... me ... So given I think of myself as
> reasonably technical, I would claim that text format "databases" are way
> more fragile than you might exp
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Ed W wrote:
You need to look at where you are going with this One way or another you
> need a database - call it a banana if you prefer, but it's still a database
> whether it's a flat file or a BDB file or whatever
>
One must be careful with the term "databa
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Rainer Frey wrote:
> On Thursday 22 April 2010 18:15:18 Phil Howard wrote:
> [ ... all standard stuff that is well documented ... ]
>
> > 5. Passwords stored encrypted, such as MD5. And it should be a scheme
> > that both Postfix and Dovecot can use so I don't h
On 23/04/2010 10:30, Gábor Lénárt wrote:
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 01:45:35PM -0400, Phil Howard wrote:
Then I think MySQL will do the job. Both postfix and dovecot support MySQL,
and you can use SASL to authenticate SMTP with Dovecot, so Dovecot would do
all the auth work. Finally, you could
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 01:45:35PM -0400, Phil Howard wrote:
> > Then I think MySQL will do the job. Both postfix and dovecot support MySQL,
> > and you can use SASL to authenticate SMTP with Dovecot, so Dovecot would do
> > all the auth work. Finally, you could use Postfix's VDA patch if you want
P.S. The "idiot" who kept breaking the plain text format file in my
original setup was da da ... me ... So given I think of myself as
reasonably technical, I would claim that text format "databases" are way
more fragile than you might expect (good luck getting a non
technical user not
On 22/04/2010 17:18, Phil Howard wrote:
I have not been following this thread as closely as I probably should
have; however, I was wondering what the OP's problem was with using
MySQL? It would greatly simplify the job of constructing and
maintaining databases. It is even possible to create tab
On Thursday 22 April 2010 18:15:18 Phil Howard wrote:
[ ... all standard stuff that is well documented ... ]
> 5. Passwords stored encrypted, such as MD5. And it should be a scheme
> that both Postfix and Dovecot can use so I don't have keep two different
> encryption schemes.
Postfix doesn't n
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> One nice thing about Postfix is that the documentation is _very_ thorough,
> even if sometimes hard to digest.
>
Yes, I would agree. Sometimes a twisty maze of passages, but you can
eventually find things.
Good luck, and please keep us up
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Arne K. Haaje wrote:
Have you looked into Postfix Admin? http://postfixadmin.sourceforge.net/
>
> It might be a good solution for you. I'm using it for a a growing database
> of users and I'm very happy with it. The setup with postfix, dovecot and
> mysql was quit
Phil Howard put forth on 4/22/2010 3:07 PM:
> I would think the general (insert some character here)-separated file should
> be doable:
> comma-delimited:/some/file/name
> colon-delimited:/some/file/name
> tab-delimited:/some/file/name
> space-delimited:/some/file/name
> But it has
Phil Howard skrev:
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Jerry wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:03:00 +0200
Rainer articulated:
Well, it leaves out the *one tricky part* of using a flat file
database for virtual users with dovecot and postfix: there is no
common format that both understand
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> With this many lookup table types supported by Postfix, is it true that it
> has no "simple" table type in common with Dovecot?
>
There are some ... like mysql for example. The ones I call "simple" are
ones that have a single file in some r
Phil Howard put forth on 4/22/2010 11:18 AM:
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Jerry wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:03:00 +0200
>> Rainer articulated:
>>
>>> Well, it leaves out the *one tricky part* of using a flat file
>>> database for virtual users with dovecot and postfix: there is no
Am 22.04.2010 um 17:03 schrieb Rainer Frey (Inxmail GmbH):
> So a valid recipient must be in the passwd file and in the postfix virtual
> alias file? This does not solve the problem of using the same flat-file user
> database between doevecot and postfix, and of course int that case you can
> de
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Jerry wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:18:41 -0400
> Phil articulated:
>
> > The administration is going to be handed off to less technical
> > people, and my goal is to mimize the number of elements in this.
> > It's not about MySQL itself ... it's about not run
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:18:41 -0400
Phil articulated:
> The administration is going to be handed off to less technical
> people, and my goal is to mimize the number of elements in this.
> It's not about MySQL itself ... it's about not running yet another
> server/daemon.
Excuse my ignorance here;
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Jim Trigg wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 09:48:36AM -0400, Phil Howard wrote:
> > The ideal would be a complete mail server package that handled it all in
> one
> > ... SMTP, submission, IMAP(S), POP3(S). But what I've seen as attempts
> to
> > do that so far
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Jerry wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:03:00 +0200
> Rainer articulated:
>
> > Well, it leaves out the *one tricky part* of using a flat file
> > database for virtual users with dovecot and postfix: there is no
> > common format that both understand directly.
>
>
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Rainer Frey wrote:
> If you can't wait for Dovecot 2.0, you need to use dovecot deliver, but you
> should set it up as a pipe transport in master - see
> http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Postfix for virtual users. mailbox_command
> again
> is for real system users onl
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:03:00 +0200
Rainer articulated:
> Well, it leaves out the *one tricky part* of using a flat file
> database for virtual users with dovecot and postfix: there is no
> common format that both understand directly.
I have not been following this thread as closely as I probably
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 09:48:36AM -0400, Phil Howard wrote:
> The ideal would be a complete mail server package that handled it all in one
> ... SMTP, submission, IMAP(S), POP3(S). But what I've seen as attempts to
> do that so far were less than promising (even though I have no need for what
> m
On Thursday 22 April 2010 15:34:40 Phil Howard wrote:
> So what would local_recipient_maps look like in this case?
As the suggested setup uses virtual_mailbox_domains for the mailboxes hosted
by dovecot, it would be virtual_mailbox_maps. Alternatively one could define
relay_domains, relay_tran
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 01:12:24PM +0200, Rainer Frey wrote:
> Do you define all valid recipients there (e.g. in you example virtual file
> lo...@domain.tld)?
Yes.
> But this is at the delivery stage, when the mail has already been accepted.
> This means, if no homedir/mailbox is found, bounce
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Thomas Leuxner wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:18:09AM +0200, Rainer Frey wrote:
> > What I don't see here at all (and neither in your Wiki Howto) is how
> Postfix
> > determines the valid recipients for the domains in
> virtual_mailbox_domains.
>
> Postfix wi
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Rainer Frey wrote:
> This is wrong. The auth service is not queried for recipient, only for
> valid
> SASL users (that connect to the submission service as *senders*). I'm
> talking
> about determining valid *recipients* for the virtual_mailbox_domains.
>
That's
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 3:33 AM, Thomas Leuxner wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 04:34:30PM -0400, Phil Howard wrote:
> > > userdb {
> > > args = username_format=%u /var/vmail/auth.d/%d/passwd
> > > driver = passwd-file
> > > }
> > What does it take to get Postfix to read this?
>
> Basically th
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Heiko Schlittermann
wrote:
> Hello Phil,
>
> Phil Howard (Mi 21 Apr 2010 16:32:36 CEST):
> > I'm setting up a Postfix and Dovecot combination. What I want to do is
> have
> > a user database that (1) is not running from some engine (so not LDAP or
> SQL
> > or s
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:18:09AM +0200, Rainer Frey wrote:
> What I don't see here at all (and neither in your Wiki Howto) is how Postfix
> determines the valid recipients for the domains in virtual_mailbox_domains.
Postfix will expand possible aliases first and determine the final
recipient ha
On Wednesday 21 April 2010 21:30:12 Thomas Leuxner wrote:
> I'm running a setup that should be good enough for what you are trying to
> achieve. All user information is stored in flat files per domain and you
> may override per user settings individually:
>
> passdb {
> args = username_format=%u
I have now created a basic How To for the desired configuration on the
2.0 Wiki. Although it has some 2.0 specifics it should work with 1.2 for
most parts too. Maybe someone with a higher privilege level on the Wiki
than I have can beautify the URL by removing the Whitespaces :)
http://wiki2.dovec
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 04:34:30PM -0400, Phil Howard wrote:
> > userdb {
> > args = username_format=%u /var/vmail/auth.d/%d/passwd
> > driver = passwd-file
> > }
> What does it take to get Postfix to read this?
Basically these two parameters in 'main.cf':
[main.cf]
smtpd_sasl_type=dovecot
smtp
On 04/22/10 00:58, Peter Hessler wrote:
postfix:
smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot
smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth
dovecot:
auth default {
socket listen {
client {
path = /var/spool/postfix/private/auth
user = _postfix
group = wheel
mode = 0660
}
}
}
Then c
Hello Phil,
Phil Howard (Mi 21 Apr 2010 16:32:36 CEST):
> I'm setting up a Postfix and Dovecot combination. What I want to do is have
> a user database that (1) is not running from some engine (so not LDAP or SQL
> or such) ... and (2) is completely disassociated from system users (e.g.
> most e
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Thomas Leuxner wrote:
> I'm running a setup that should be good enough for what you are trying to
> achieve. All user information is stored in flat files per domain and you may
> override per user settings individually:
>
> passdb {
> args = username_format=%u /v
I'm running a setup that should be good enough for what you are trying to
achieve. All user information is stored in flat files per domain and you may
override per user settings individually:
passdb {
args = username_format=%u /var/vmail/auth.d/%d/passwd
driver = passwd-file
}
userdb {
ar
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Rodolfo Gonzalez wrote:
> Phil Howard escribió:
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Patrick Nagel > >wrote:
>>
>> I think /etc/passwd is as close as it gets to your requirements... why
>>> not
>>> just add the users as system users, and set their shell to /bin
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Peter Hessler wrote:
> postfix:
>
> smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot
> smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth
>
>
> dovecot:
>
> auth default {
> socket listen {
>client {
> path = /var/spool/postfix/private/auth
> user = _postfix
> group = wheel
> mode
Phil Howard escribió:
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Patrick Nagel wrote:
I think /etc/passwd is as close as it gets to your requirements... why not
just add the users as system users, and set their shell to /bin/false?
There would be conflicts in this, especially with multiple domain nam
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Patrick Nagel wrote:
> I think /etc/passwd is as close as it gets to your requirements... why not
> just add the users as system users, and set their shell to /bin/false?
>
There would be conflicts in this, especially with multiple domain names
(sorry, forgot to
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:32:36AM -0400, Phil Howard wrote:
> Ideal would be a one-file solution, which can be managed by
> text editing or simple command line tools. But what I want is ONE file that
> both Postfix (for valid recipients) and Dovecot (for user login
> authentication) can use toget
, April 21, 2010 3:32 PM
Subject: [Dovecot] best choice of user database file to work with postfix?
> I'm setting up a Postfix and Dovecot combination. What I want to do is have
> a user database that (1) is not running from some engine (so not LDAP or SQL
> or such) ... and (2) is
postfix:
smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot
smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth
dovecot:
auth default {
socket listen {
client {
path = /var/spool/postfix/private/auth
user = _postfix
group = wheel
mode = 0660
}
}
}
Then configure your favorite auth mechanism for dovecot.
I think /etc/passwd is as close as it gets to your requirements... why not just
add the users as system users, and set their shell to /bin/false?
Patrick
"Phil Howard" wrote:
>I'm setting up a Postfix and Dovecot combination. What I want to do is have
>a user database that (1) is not running
build as passdb ( http://wiki.dovecot.org/AuthDatabase/PasswdFile )
and write a sript which builds an valid postfix lookuptable usable as
local_recipient_maps.
Andreas
Am 21.04.2010 10:32 schrieb Phil Howard:
> I'm setting up a Postfix and Dovecot combination. What I want to do is have
> a user
I'm setting up a Postfix and Dovecot combination. What I want to do is have
a user database that (1) is not running from some engine (so not LDAP or SQL
or such) ... and (2) is completely disassociated from system users (e.g.
most email users are not in /etc/passwd and most /etc/passwd users are n
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