Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE (Almost!)

2011-11-29 Thread Jim Shorney
On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:25:27 -0500, Eddy Swynar wrote: > >It's obvious that proponents of utilizing cooling fans for their Drake >transmitters are on to something, alright---but the benefits are NOT >restricted merely to prolonged tube life: PTO drift is reduced by one third, >as well. This,

Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE (Almost!)

2011-11-29 Thread Steve Wedge
. -Ayn Rand. All my computers have my signature with various pearls of wisdom appended thereto. -- From: "john" Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 9:30 PM To: "Robert Fish" ; Subject: Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE (Almost

Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE (Almost!)

2011-11-29 Thread john
I'll second that... it's epics like these that make this and other lists worth riding along with. Thanks for taking the time, and thanks for the info. I always knew fans were a good idea :-) John K5MO At 01:47 PM 11/29/2011, Robert Fish wrote: " This has all been a most interesting exercis

Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE (Almost!)

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Fish
" This has all been a most interesting exercise, nonetheless---I only hope that my ramblings herein have NOT inspired readers to unsubscribe from the list..! " On the contrary, Eddy. I find this stuff fascinating. The most productive learning environments always have people who say things like

Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE (Almost!)

2011-11-29 Thread Garey Barrell
Eddy - Great info. Actually this confirms what I would expect to happen. What you do with the fan is provide a constant temperature, whatever it is, much better for short-term stability. The other oscillators involved in the output frequency are the Carrier Oscillator and the Band Oscillato

[Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE (Almost!)

2011-11-29 Thread Eddy Swynar
Hi Again All, At the specific suggestion of Garey, I went ahead & completed a 3rd stability test on my Drake T-4X transmitter PTO... I essentially repeated everything that I did in the very first test, i.e. I used the ICOM 751A as an umpire, both it and the T-4X were started at the same time (

Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE

2011-11-29 Thread Garey Barrell
st@zerobeat.net Subject: Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE */Hi Curt,/* A sort of an elaborate ".../temperature-compensating-oscillator-heterodyning/" scheme...! Hi Hi We could call it "*/The Rube Golberg/*" method of frequency stabilization! * : >

Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE

2011-11-29 Thread Steve Wedge
st@zerobeat.net Subject: Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE Hi Curt, A sort of an elaborate "...temperature-compensating-oscillator-heterodyning" scheme...! Hi Hi  We could call it "The Rube Golberg" method of frequency stabilization!  

Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE

2011-11-29 Thread Eddy Swynar
Hi Curt, A sort of an elaborate "...temperature-compensating-oscillator-heterodyning" scheme...! Hi Hi We could call it "The Rube Golberg" method of frequency stabilization!: >) ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ

Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE

2011-11-29 Thread Eddy Swynar
Hi Garey, An EXCELLENT idea...! I'm doing exactly that, even as I type this... Stay tuned! ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ** On 2011-11-29, at 9:26 AM, Garey Barrell wrote: > Hi Eddy - > > Would you be up for one more t

Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE

2011-11-29 Thread Curt
Hi Eddy: Excellent! Now, you might also learn something worthwhile by doing the same test, but measuring the drift of actual output after mixing at say 7 or 14Mhz. If the crystal Osc goes the other direction, it might get somewhat better...then again if it goes the other way...well...! :)

Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE

2011-11-29 Thread Garey Barrell
Hi Eddy - Would you be up for one more test run?? I wonder what would happen WITHOUT the fan. Certainly the interior would warm up faster. A trade-off would 'perhaps' be a larger delta t from transmit to receive. Especially without an ambient air of 59F constantly being pulled through the c

Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE

2011-11-29 Thread Gary Winblad
Nice work Eddy. I do my tests a little differently, I look at "overall" stability by zero beating WWV. Regardless, my early T-4X (5KHz markings) is also just about 1.2KHz. But my slightly newer R-4A (13 tube, but 25KHz markings and vernier Preselector) is worse at just about 1.5KHz. IIRC, ther

[Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE

2011-11-29 Thread Eddy Swynar
Hi All, Well, this morning I essentially duplicated my previous stability tests with the Drake T-4X here, only with a minor change: as was suggested to me earlier, this time I let the "umpire" rig---my ICOM 751A transceiver---warm-up, alone, for a full hour... Before getting to the results, I