Well after beeing told to upgrade to XF4.2 from XF4.1 I did so:

So XF4.2 Indirect rendering
install the latest / last binary package from TG
XF4.2 with direct rendering (no TCL)
compile (not install) the latest binary package (20020623) from SF
copy every file to its proper location except radeon_drv.o
XF4.2 with direct rendering and TCL
hey presto it works! (and is of course way faster than indirect and faster
than non-TCL) 

Now you can use the old (TG) or the new (SF): 
atimisc_drv.o
radeon_dri.so

but this must be the old (TG) 
radeon_drv.o

glxgears works says stuff about pagefliping
quake3 works

This curently works as root on my box.

of course after playing mix and match with all these files as root I've also
to mess up my user account but its backed up so I'll fix that - I dont think
that'll be the case with anyone else.

thanks to: Matti Valtonen
for his valuable input: read your XFree86.0.log you tool 
note: he was more polite than that

Liam
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