Also, the frames need a bgcolor in the body. This is a pet peeve of mine, since I have my default background set to gray. Well if I can see them then I can grab them and resize them. <g> I can also see this line in the old / original site? Liam ---- it depends ------------------------------------------------------- Sponsored by: ThinkGeek at http://www.ThinkGeek.com/ _______________________________________________ Dri-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel