[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: D-Star & air interface authentication

2010-06-24 Thread ra3apw
--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, John Hays wrote: > For me, the callsign of the station is the registration, no other registration of RF units should be required. John, I believe that it is OK in your area. But you should agree that any pirate can visit well known web site and monitor all

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: D-Star & air interface authentication

2010-06-24 Thread Tony Langdon
At 02:50 PM 6/25/2010, you wrote: >I don't see any need for authentication/security protocols for >D-star beyond what's already in place. What ever in the world for? >We've done just fine for many years without it on analouge V/UHF >repeaters, Echolink and etc. We don't need it anymore than we w

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: D-Star & air interface authentication

2010-06-24 Thread ke7onz
I don't see any need for authentication/security protocols for D-star beyond what's already in place. What ever in the world for? We've done just fine for many years without it on analouge V/UHF repeaters, Echolink and etc. We don't need it anymore than we would need it on HF DX. Bill KE7ONZ

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: D-Star & air interface authentication

2010-06-24 Thread Tony Langdon
At 06:36 AM 6/25/2010, you wrote: >All, > >thanks for your replies and arguments. > >Authentication subject has been raised in connection with negative >examples in analog repeater networks and AMPR in the past. >Until then while the repeater works locally - security is a problem of >repeater's own

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: D-Star & air interface authentication

2010-06-24 Thread John Hays
On Jun 24, 2010, at 1:36 PM, ra3apw wrote: We can assume that a weak place in security is an air interface of local repeater (at confidence links between Gateways). Therefore: - authentication can work locally on a concrete repeater - authentication takes place only at process of registrati

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: D-Star & air interface authentication

2010-06-24 Thread ra3apw
All, thanks for your replies and arguments. Authentication subject has been raised in connection with negative examples in analog repeater networks and AMPR in the past. Until then while the repeater works locally - security is a problem of repeater's owner. But as soon as this repeater will be c

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: D-Star & air interface authentication

2010-06-24 Thread John Hays
On Jun 24, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Evans F. Mitchell KD4EFM wrote: We take it for grant it, when we talk to someone on the other end of the RF wave, that person to is a registered and authorized Amateur Radio Operator according to their respective countries requirements... rather it's HF or D-St

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: D-Star & air interface authentication

2010-06-24 Thread Bert Bruner - KE4FOV
The world is becoming a place where nobody trusts anybody. I frankly think that's a disgusting state of affairs. Even if it's sometimes abused, the friendly, work together attitude of ham radio is one of the best features of the hobby. It should be one of the last things we change. Bert Bruner

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: D-Star & air interface authentication

2010-06-24 Thread Evans F. Mitchell KD4EFM
Greetings Karen. Think of it this way, with OTARA (over the air radio authentication), what is to stop you from using someone else's call sign? Amateur Radio is just not ready for ESN protocol. Not even D-Star. WOULD WORK! but the complexity of ESN or ECS (Electronic Callsign Signature) is the