Re: [dstar_digital] D-Star scramble code

2008-06-24 Thread Peter Corbett
Ray T. Mahorney wrote: > Now my question becomes why would we want to use a scramble code? The normal use of scramblers like this is to prevent loss of sync and corruption of digital data streams. In some cases -- T1 lines are the usual example -- the receiver clock will lose sync and the link g

Re: [dstar_digital] D-Star scramble code

2008-06-24 Thread Tony Langdon
At 07:53 AM 6/25/2008, you wrote: >Now my question becomes why would we want to use a scramble code? To avoid pathological conditions such as a long sequence of 0's, which would make clock recovery from the signal difficult. You want to have bit transitions as frequent as possible (ideally with

Re: [dstar_digital] D-Star scramble code

2008-06-24 Thread Charles Scott
Ron and All: Please note that there is no prohibition on unpublished codes as long as they are not used for the purpose of "obscuring the meaning" of a transmission. ( see 97.309(b) ) Also note that there are provisions for dealing with situations where there's a concern by the FCC District D

Re: [dstar_digital] D-Star scramble code

2008-06-24 Thread Ray T. Mahorney
Now my question becomes why would we want to use a scramble code? - Original Message - From: "Nate Duehr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [dstar_digital] D-Star scramble code These types of "scramble" codes are c

Re: [dstar_digital] D-Star scramble code

2008-06-24 Thread Nate Duehr
Ron Wright wrote: > This was the reason the ARRL in 2007 attempted to get FCC approval for > wide band modes on bands down to 6 meters...it would open up more modes > for high speed. So many opposed it due to thinking single ops would be > occupying large chunks of spectrum. ACTUALLY... It wa

Re: [dstar_digital] D-Star scramble code

2008-06-24 Thread Nate Duehr
These types of "scramble" codes are common in telecom for doing things like "ones density". I wouldn't even call them "scrambled", that seems to be a term that picked up somewhere in D-STAR. Telecom engineers would simply call this "line coding" of different sorts. Study all of these, and you'

Re: [dstar_digital] D-Star scramble code

2008-06-24 Thread Ray T. Mahorney
fair point which I'd not considered. Thanks for the clarification - Original Message - From: "Evans F. Mitchell; KD4EFM / AFA2TH / WQFK-894" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [dstar_digital] D-Star scramble code not if i

Re: Re: [dstar_digital] D-Star scramble code

2008-06-24 Thread Ron Wright
Ray, Had this discussion with a Ham friend on this topic yesterday. As others have said it is legal since it is published and known. This has been a change in recent years where the FCC now allows about anything as long as it is published and stays within the allowed bandwidth for a band or mo

Re: [dstar_digital] D-Star scramble code

2008-06-24 Thread John D. Hays
Ray, This is part of the encoding technique for modulating the signal, it is a fixed encoding, not an encryption. Think encoding as in ASCII or Baudot, not encryption like WEP or WPA. Micha - the people to check with are Robin AA4RC and Satoshi (Call escapes me) who have worked on hardware proje

RE: [dstar_digital] D-Star scramble code

2008-06-24 Thread Evans F. Mitchell; KD4EFM / AFA2TH / WQFK-894
om [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:20 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [dstar_digital] D-Star scramble code someone correct me but would that not run counter to the prohibition of the transmission of codes and ciphers?

Re: [dstar_digital] D-Star scramble code

2008-06-24 Thread Ray T. Mahorney
someone correct me but would that not run counter to the prohibition of the transmission of codes and ciphers? - Original Message - From: "Michael Przybilla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: [dstar_digital] D-Star scramble code Hi Has anyone tried