[e-gold-list] Re: The impressive progress of the Caliphate

2003-10-09 Thread Danny Van den Berghe
> > No solution is perfect, but ultimately I think the idea of fiat > > currency is > > superior, if it is used responsibly. > > Doesn't bother me if it's not compulsory. Any group of individuals can > trade amongst themselves using any combination of goods, services, or > notes payable in goods a

[e-gold-list] Re: The impressive progress of the Caliphate

2003-10-08 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 06:38 AM, Danny Van den Berghe wrote: No solution is perfect, but ultimately I think the idea of fiat currency is superior, if it is used responsibly. Doesn't bother me if it's not compulsory. Any group of individuals can trade amongst themselves using any combin

[e-gold-list] Re: The impressive progress of the Caliphate

2003-10-08 Thread Robert S.Z.
Hello Danny, > > Well, interestingly Jim first brought up the examples of Byzantine and > Italian Renaissance, so I have not been talking about Caliphate. ... Sorry, mea culpa, I was only halfway down the previous thread at the time I jumped in. My argument for the Caliphate might be a bit superf

[e-gold-list] Re: The impressive progress of the Caliphate

2003-10-08 Thread Danny Van den Berghe
Hi Robert, > What both Jim and you seem to ignore in the argument is the fact that the > Caliphate flourished not only because(or in your case, despite) of > Gold/Silver currency, but because of (1) NO INTEREST OF ANY KIND OR FORM > and (2) low taxes, if any. Well, interestingly Jim first broug

[e-gold-list] Re: The impressive progress of the Caliphate

2003-10-07 Thread Robert S.Z.
Hello Danny, What both Jim and you seem to ignore in the argument is the fact that the Caliphate flourished not only because(or in your case, despite) of Gold/Silver currency, but because of (1) NO INTEREST OF ANY KIND OR FORM and (2) low taxes, if any. Your argument that people would hoard gold

[e-gold-list] Re: The impressive progress of the Caliphate

2003-10-07 Thread Danny Van den Berghe
> You are mentioning the social aspects (or lack thereof?) but don't seem to > consider that during the height of the Caliphate people practiced what > they preached. This included the Zakyat or the voluntary taxation of > wealth where rich merchants and indeed most others who had come into > wealt

[e-gold-list] Re: The impressive progress of the Caliphate

2003-10-07 Thread Robert S.Z.
Hello Frank, It's not such a small point actually and you are absolutely right. Of course, it was the Muslim scholars who then showed the world what to do with those numbers ;o) Cheers, Robert. budget & privacy website hosting http://www.cyberica.net e-commerce & e-business services http://www.cy

[e-gold-list] Re: The impressive progress of the Caliphate

2003-10-07 Thread zenbiker
"The Arabic digits made actual calculations easily possible for the first time since Sumeria and ancient Egypt." Just a smal point, but so-called "Arabic numerals" were actually a product of Hindu culture, exported by the Arabian empire into Europe. In keeping with a long-cherished white guy trad

[e-gold-list] Re: The impressive progress of the Caliphate

2003-10-07 Thread Robert S.Z.
Hello Jim, I didn't read all your recent posts and hence do not know if you mentioned these: The Arabic digits made actual calculations easily possible for the first time since Sumeria and ancient Egypt. Europe was using Roman numerals and if you ever tried to multiply MCMLXII times XIX or divide