>Date sent: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:42:36 +0600
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>From: Susan Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: RE: state terrorism
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>> Right up his ass, eh? So very manly - quite masculinist for a feminist.
>>
>> What the media and the state calls terrorism are generally powerful acts by
>> powerless people. Terrorism by the state itself is a much more dangerous
>> business. Count the dead - hundreds killed by the so-called terrorist
>> groups without state sanction; hundreds of millions killed by the U.S.,
>> other western gov'ts, and their puppet dictators in East Timor, Guatemala,
>> Nicaragua, Argentina, Chile...oh the list is endless. Anyway, here's some
>> news about the pharmaceutical plant, from the London Guardian...
>>
>> ***
>>
>> American tests showed no trace of nerve gas at 'deadly' Sudan plant. The
>> President ordered the attack anyway
>>
>> By Ed Vulliamy in Washington, Henry McDonald in Belfast , and Shyam Bhatia
>> and Martin Bright
>>
>
>The factory was financed by Osama Bin Laden as a dual-purpose
>facility. The chemical to be manufactured for him was not VX, but a
>binary precursor, which when combined with another chemical
>would produce the gas.
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<<<<<<<<How do you know that?>>>>>>>>
Dear lists:
I had been following the discusion since I subscribe and regards monkey
poem and the terrorism theme, and other are very interesting, but my limit
is the lenguaje, for this reason I feel a litle bit handdicap when I try to
said my opinion around the theme in discussion.
Meanwhile, only I can said that each person has a point of view that gives
to any polemic theme part of the truth.
The terrorism it's realy complex. The cultural and social behavior of any
nation can't be simple analyze. But the question is if any human can take
in his hand the justice? Which justice? What kind the justice and what all
that means? No. And for that reason, no fanatic muslim, no 'eyes by eyes'
Clinton's action can be justify. Any human life can be sacrificed by
political reason, for anybody, by anybody for any 'cuestionable' reason.
The human life, and every kind of life on the earth can't be sacrifice for
any kind of terrorism.
Beside that, when Arlene said "I'm questioning whether the ends
justifies the means and whether indeed our means (bombing, etc.)
accomplishes what most seem to believe we will accomplish. " I don't think
that never 'the ends justifies the means ' bellow any circunstance. The
muslim and US reaction has no diference, because the real problem in this
moment isn't the blank point and bombs exploted to the embassies and the
chemical plant distroyed are only a consequence of facts born long time
ago. The problem subsist, ans subsit because somebody take advanteges from
that. War is money, to be in war is money for somebody.....
At least, no last, I'm agree whith Madrone.
""I place no value whatsoever upon the opinions of people who would
hold a grudge against us for killing a terrorist whose life mission is to
kill American citizens ""
> Maureen
I only can said if realy the US goverment want to desapear this <Ladin> as
many others like him, in this moment they will been only dust. The US
goverment has the best security sistem (for themselves of course) and the
best group of attack like the famous "Mossad". Don't you think so?
For Madrone and Maureen we need yours sence of humor in this planet, great!!
For Mr. Dees, first respect, that's all
For Lagusta, I'm agree whit you
sincerely yours
Nicla
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>> Sunday August 23, 1998
>>
>> President Bill Clinton knew he was bombing a civilian target when he
>> ordered the United States attack on a Sudan chemical plant. Tests ordered
>> by him showed that no nerve gas was on the site and two British
>> professionals who recently worked at the factory said it clearly had no
>> military purpose.
>>
>> The disclosure will deepen the crisis, following the American attacks on
>> Afghanistan and Sudan, in relations between the US and its Muslim allies,
>> who have called upon Clinton to produce hard evidence that the attacks had
>> a legitimate relevance to the war against international terrorism.
>>
>> The US claims that the Al-Shifa Pharmaceuticals Industries plant in North
>> Khartoum was producing the ingredients for the deadly VX nerve gas. But
>> Sudan's assertion that it produced 50 per cent of the country's drug
>> requirements is much closer to the truth.
>>
>> Several vital pieces of evidence point to this conclusion. US forces flew
>> a reconnaissance mission to test for traces of gas and reported that there
>> were none. Nevertheless Clinton immediately authorised the attack. He was
>> also told that the absence of gas would avoid the horrifying spectacle of
>> civilian casualties. Sudan has said 10 people were injured, five
>> seriously.
>>
>> Belfast independent film-maker Irwin Armstrong, who visited the plant last
>> year while making a promotional video for the Sudanese ambassador in
>> London, said: "The Americans have got this completely wrong.
>>
>> "In other parts of the country I encountered heavy security but not here.
>> I was allowed to wander about quite freely. This is a perfectly normal
>> chemical factory with the things you would expect - stainless steel vats
>> and technicians."
>>
>> Tom Carnaffin, of Hexham, Northumberland, worked as a technical manager
>> from 1992 to 1996 for the Baaboud family, who own the plant.
>> "I have intimate knowledge of that factory and it just does not lend
>> itself to the manufacture of chemical weapons," he said.
>>
>> "The Americans claimed that the weapons were being manufactured in the
>> veterinary part of the factory. I have intimate knowledge of that part of
>> the [plant] and unless there have been some radical changes in the last
>> few months, it just isn't equipped to cope with the demands of chemical
>> weapon manufacturing. You need things like airlocks but this factory just
>> has doors leading out onto the street.
>>
>> "I have personal knowledge of the need for medicine in Sudan as I almost
>> died while working out there. The loss of this factory is a tragedy for
>> the rural communities who need those medicines."
>>
