[ECOLOG-L] Ecological phenomenological analysis Take Cover Re: [ECOLOG-L] Transformation of percent cover data for power analysis

2011-12-01 Thread Wayne Tyson
Ecolog: What are the uses of cover data, from the most common applications to the most sublime and rare? WT - Original Message - From: "Liz Pryde" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Transformation of percent cover data for power anal

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Transformation of percent cover data for power analysis

2011-11-30 Thread Liz Pryde
Hi Brian, I've been encountering this percent cover issue for a while. Unfortunately my data was all based on Braun-Blanquet estimates so analysis has been tricky. I converted to midpoint percent estimates (not strictly legitimate but served the purpose) and then had the same problem you did. I'v

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Transformation of percent cover data for power analysis

2011-11-30 Thread David Schneider
Hello all, For advice on the use of the arcsin transform, I recommend the following paper: http://www.esajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1890/10-0340.1 The title itself is worth poking the link. David Schneider Quoting Jordan Marshall : > Brian > > I use arcsin(square root(proportion)) anytime I'm d

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Transformation of percent cover data for power analysis

2011-11-30 Thread Jordan Marshall
Brian I use arcsin(square root(proportion)) anytime I'm doing analysis of percent data. The reason may not be justified for the type of simulation your running, which I'm not familiar with. I use this transformation since percent data is inherently not normally distributed. Arcsin(sqrt(proportion)

[ECOLOG-L] Transformation of percent cover data for power analysis

2011-11-29 Thread Brian Mitchell
Hello ecolog, I am working on a power analysis simulation for long-term forest monitoring data, with the goal of documenting our power to detect trends over time. The simulation is based on a repeated measures hierarchical model, where future data is simulated based on the initial data set and a