I completely agree with Laura. The fact that this woman had an abortion
to reduce her carbon footprint is quite scary. I think her choice to,
after this occurrence, search out a doctor to perform a sterility
procedure to definitively prevent any future pregnancies was a very good
choice to
Another third world, but with the knowledge from science
Noone to quote, but it is a well researched area in sociology, it is the
empowering of women which actually lowers conception rates, not the minimum
wage as most of us thought in the 70's
My one cent
Abraham de Alba Avila
I would disagree that this behavior promotes zero=20
fitness in all cases. If a sibling has kids,=20
then the childless individual has some level of=20
inclusive fitness. I agree that this would be=20
rare if it caused a loss in fitness, but, aren't=20
there examples of animals/plants/microbes
I must say that I am very disturbed by both posts below. I know this is
Ecolog and not an abortion debate forum, but to me the posts indicate that the
woman in question did something wrong by exercising her choice to terminate
her pregnancy. Women all over the world make this decision for
For the sake of completeness: the U.S. has also engaged in forced
sterilization--definitely for the mentally ill and Native Americans. The
former was based on false notions of how heritable various conditions were,
but I don't know if the latter had any front put on it.
Krzysztof
On Nov 29,
Here is a follow-up thought. It is not a scary thought that someone would
exert their free choice due to belief this will reduce their own impact on
the earth...it is however scary to think forced abortion or forced
sterilization are solutions to environmental problems. In china there are
All of the people who believed that they could help to save the planet
by not having babies lived their life span and died. The rest of the
world's population went ahead and had babies. As the genetic (and
cultural) lines of those believers in birth control perished, the human
population grew
All of the people who believed that they could help to save the planet
by not having babies lived their life span and died. The rest of the
world's population went ahead and had babies. As the genetic (and
cultural) lines of those believers in birth control perished, the human
population grew
You said:
All of the people who believed that they could help to save the
planet by not having babies lived their life span and died. The rest
of the world's population went ahead and had babies. As the genetic
(and cultural) lines of those believers in birth control perished,
the human
I know all about that. And how difficult it is to get doctors to
believe you REALLY don't want kids of your own..
I tell my colleagues that I'm working on my inclusive fitness.
CL
Matheus Carvalho wrote:
... to reduce her CO2 footprint.
Yes, I am pleased to see the childfree movement continuing to garner press
attention; a childfree lifestyle is one of many tools that may contribute to a
long-term balance in human demand on natural resources. (In order to share
experiences and ideas with others, childfree-leaning individuals
While a childfree lifestyle may be a valid and important ethical choice
(though probably a freedom for only a portion of the female population in
this world), the woman in the article that started this discussion chose to
terminate a pregnancy using the save the planet rationale (as I
recall).
I would like to say that if you have children, you will inherently pass
certain world-perspectives to them. Of course, as they develop and learn on
their own they will adopt their own values and personal perspectives --
something every human is entitled to, and should strive for.
However, if
A third world view on childfree ideology.
Here in Brazil, anyone who decides to not have kids in an attempt to save
the world, will soon became frustrated in seeing uneducated and miserable
couples in slums having 6 or 7 or even 10 children. The decision is clearly
useless and is clear to me
Another thought: Today I listened to John McCain speak at our campus.
One of the people who asked him a question was a young mother with 3
children and her question regarded concerns about the future for her
children. One thing about having children is it provides some parents
with greater
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