Re: She will not have babies

2007-11-29 Thread Marie Wilson
I completely agree with Laura. The fact that this woman had an abortion to reduce her carbon footprint is quite scary. I think her choice to, after this occurrence, search out a doctor to perform a sterility procedure to definitively prevent any future pregnancies was a very good choice to

Re: She will not have babies

2007-11-29 Thread Abraham de Alba A.
Another third world, but with the knowledge from science Noone to quote, but it is a well researched area in sociology, it is the empowering of women which actually lowers conception rates, not the minimum wage as most of us thought in the 70's My one cent Abraham de Alba Avila

Re: She will not have babies

2007-11-29 Thread Liane Cochran-Stafira
I would disagree that this behavior promotes zero=20 fitness in all cases. If a sibling has kids,=20 then the childless individual has some level of=20 inclusive fitness. I agree that this would be=20 rare if it caused a loss in fitness, but, aren't=20 there examples of animals/plants/microbes

Re: She will not have babies

2007-11-29 Thread Anita Stone
I must say that I am very disturbed by both posts below. I know this is Ecolog and not an abortion debate forum, but to me the posts indicate that the woman in question did something wrong by exercising her choice to terminate her pregnancy. Women all over the world make this decision for

Re: She will not have babies

2007-11-29 Thread Krzysiek Sakrejda
For the sake of completeness: the U.S. has also engaged in forced sterilization--definitely for the mentally ill and Native Americans. The former was based on false notions of how heritable various conditions were, but I don't know if the latter had any front put on it. Krzysztof On Nov 29,

Re: She will not have babies

2007-11-29 Thread Laura Jodice
Here is a follow-up thought. It is not a scary thought that someone would exert their free choice due to belief this will reduce their own impact on the earth...it is however scary to think forced abortion or forced sterilization are solutions to environmental problems. In china there are

Re: She will not have babies

2007-11-28 Thread Mike Marsh
All of the people who believed that they could help to save the planet by not having babies lived their life span and died. The rest of the world's population went ahead and had babies. As the genetic (and cultural) lines of those believers in birth control perished, the human population grew

Re: She will not have babies

2007-11-28 Thread Charles Davis
All of the people who believed that they could help to save the planet by not having babies lived their life span and died. The rest of the world's population went ahead and had babies. As the genetic (and cultural) lines of those believers in birth control perished, the human population grew

Re: She will not have babies

2007-11-28 Thread Emily Gonzales
You said: All of the people who believed that they could help to save the planet by not having babies lived their life span and died. The rest of the world's population went ahead and had babies. As the genetic (and cultural) lines of those believers in birth control perished, the human

Re: she will not have babies...

2007-11-28 Thread Cara Lin Bridgman
I know all about that. And how difficult it is to get doctors to believe you REALLY don't want kids of your own.. I tell my colleagues that I'm working on my inclusive fitness. CL Matheus Carvalho wrote: ... to reduce her CO2 footprint.

Re: She will not have babies

2007-11-28 Thread K Johnson
Yes, I am pleased to see the childfree movement continuing to garner press attention; a childfree lifestyle is one of many tools that may contribute to a long-term balance in human demand on natural resources. (In order to share experiences and ideas with others, childfree-leaning individuals

Re: She will not have babies

2007-11-28 Thread Laura Jodice
While a childfree lifestyle may be a valid and important ethical choice (though probably a freedom for only a portion of the female population in this world), the woman in the article that started this discussion chose to terminate a pregnancy using the save the planet rationale (as I recall).

Re: She will not have babies

2007-11-28 Thread tim knab
I would like to say that if you have children, you will inherently pass certain world-perspectives to them. Of course, as they develop and learn on their own they will adopt their own values and personal perspectives -- something every human is entitled to, and should strive for. However, if

Re: She will not have babies

2007-11-28 Thread Osmar Luiz Jr
A third world view on childfree ideology. Here in Brazil, anyone who decides to not have kids in an attempt to save the world, will soon became frustrated in seeing uneducated and miserable couples in slums having 6 or 7 or even 10 children. The decision is clearly useless and is clear to me

Re: She will not have babies

2007-11-28 Thread Laura Jodice
Another thought: Today I listened to John McCain speak at our campus. One of the people who asked him a question was a young mother with 3 children and her question regarded concerns about the future for her children. One thing about having children is it provides some parents with greater