[ECOLOG-L] Nonparametric repeated measures analysis?

2009-03-13 Thread Joe Poston
I'm looking for some help with data analysis. Briefly, here is the experimental design. My student wanted to know if the appearance of a recycling container would affect the likelihood that a person would place a recyclable bottle in that container. So, she designed two types of containers (experim

Re: nonparametric repeated measures

2007-04-24 Thread Highland Statistics Ltd.
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:50:48 -0400, Lucy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'm working with some percent cover data from plots that have been measured >annually for the past five years. In several plots and during some years >there is little to no vegetation coverage, so the data are heavily skewed;

Re: nonparametric repeated measures

2007-04-24 Thread Stephen B. Cox
Yes - this alleviates the assumption of normality (although I am not sure if I would classify % cover as binomial/logit). This biggest hurdle for generalized mixed (or the usual mixed models) for Lucy, though, is how to generate tests of her main effects. I don't know what SAS is doing these days

Re: nonparametric repeated measures

2007-04-24 Thread Bahram Momen
The best option in SAS is using 'PROC GLIMMIX' and define an appropriate 'DISTribution' and a related 'LINK' function. Bahram Momen Environmental Science & Statistics 1108 H.J. Patterson Hall Environmental Science & Technology Dept. University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742 301 405 1332, [EM

Re: nonparametric repeated measures

2007-04-24 Thread John Gerlach
ct: Re: [ECOLOG-L] nonparametric repeated measures How about to transform the data using LOG? jiazy 2007-04-24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to: I'm working with some percent cover data from plots that have been measured annually for the past five years. In several plots and during some yea

Re: nonparametric repeated measures

2007-04-24 Thread Stephen B. Cox
Hi Lucy - although I would recommend a mixed model for a variety of reasons (in particular, you can model heteroscedasticity), it does still assume normality. So, the mixed model does not necessarily solve issues of "nonparametric data" (I think you mean "nonnormal"). As I see it, you have a coupl

Re: nonparametric repeated measures

2007-04-24 Thread David Inouye
How about to transform the data using LOG? jiazy 2007-04-24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to: I'm working with some percent cover data from plots that have been measured annually for the past five years. In several plots and during some years there is little to no vegetation coverage, so the dat

nonparametric repeated measures

2007-04-23 Thread Lucy
I'm working with some percent cover data from plots that have been measured annually for the past five years. In several plots and during some years there is little to no vegetation coverage, so the data are heavily skewed; the common transformations (log, square root) haven't worked. Is there