Conditional or Unconditional tests???

2000-07-13 Thread Ron Bloom
Regarding significance tests for 2x2 tables. I do not know what to make of all the debating this way and that way in the literature. Q: Under what circumstance does one use the "exact test" conditional on the "marginals being what they are" ? I have seen the distinction made (supposedly

Re: bivariate normality and correlation

2000-07-13 Thread Znarf Akfak
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donald Burrill) wrote: Sounds like a prediction or calibration kind of problem. As Joe Ward pointed out, raw regression coefficients, and standard errors of measurement, are more stable than correlation coefficients. Yes, that's right. Regression will be

Re: On-line survey

2000-07-13 Thread Paige Miller
Johannes Hartig wrote: I see that the convenient way of collecting data via internet may lead to badly designed surveys, and I have seen many of them. But I disagree that collecting data online is "easy" or "bad" per se, and IMHO online samples are more heterogenous than student samples and

Re: On-line survey

2000-07-13 Thread dennis roberts
At 07:32 AM 7/13/00 -0400, Paige Miller wrote: How exactly do you generalize the results from a "sample" of people who elect to respond to an opinion question, for example at http://cnn.com, to a larger population? this is precisely the problem ... since, there is essentially NO control over

Re: On-line survey

2000-07-13 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
I wrote: Internet users are not a random sample of any other population. Internet users who browse to a given site are not a random sample of internet users. And internet users who bother to fill out a form are not a random sample of anything. Your student will have data

Re: Conditional or Unconditional tests???

2000-07-13 Thread Mithat Gonen
I don't think there is an agreement in the statistical community. In the clinical trials circles conditional tests are highly regarded and the most convincing evidence I have seen so far is Yates (1984, J. of Royal Stat Soc, A147:426-463). Mithat In article 8kjlju$ni8$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ron

On-line survey

2000-07-13 Thread Bob Hayden
While I agree that online surveys are of dubious value, some of the opposition sounds too moralistic or contentious for my taste. Here is a parable. The usual formulae of inferential statistics estimate the error made by using a random sample instead of a census. If you did not take a random

ANN: Final best test of the 32-bit of Simstat for Windows

2000-07-13 Thread Normand Peladeau
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Re: On-line survey

2000-07-13 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Bob Hayden wrote: While I agree that online surveys are of dubious value, some of the opposition sounds too moralistic or contentious for my taste. Here is a parable. (excellent example of the spherical Statue of Liberty omitted) So I don't mind if you use an online sample, but

Re: On-line survey

2000-07-13 Thread Bob Hayden
- Forwarded message from George W. Cobb - I don't disagree at all with Bob's point (there goes another chance to be contentious!) but you can sometimes go a long way using the right simplifying assumptions. Here's the reference: O'Conner, M.P., and J.R. Spotilla (1992). "Consider a

Re: On-line survey

2000-07-13 Thread Rich Ulrich
On 13 Jul 2000 08:56:24 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hayden) wrote: While I agree that online surveys are of dubious value, some of the opposition sounds too moralistic or contentious for my taste. ... snip, rest I was thinking "too contentious", too, until I noticed that the Subject