Re: MCAS

2001-01-12 Thread Thom Baguley
Alan Zaslavsky wrote: There is a big statistical literature on how to measure school performance. The models used tend to be relatively complex ones, e.g., multilevel models to take account of region, school, year and so on. The sad thing here is that (whatever the main cause or causes) they are

Logistic regression and Relative risk

2001-01-12 Thread Tor A Strand
Logistic regression and Relative risk (RR) In some statistical applications (eg. SAS) RR is an option in logistic regression. This is rarely used in Scientific literature where some authors even report odds ratios (OR) as RR. This is seen even in recent papers in the New England Journal of

Re: MA MCAS statistical fallacy

2001-01-12 Thread Richard A. Beldin
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --A0316B6769484E5B80B17052 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In one way or another, we have to give the slower students more time. We can do it by making courses which allow students to progress (or

EdStat interruption

2001-01-12 Thread E. Jacquelin Dietz
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Re: MA MCAS statistical fallacy

2001-01-12 Thread Gene Gallagher
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert J. MacG. Dawson) wrote: Snip Wait one... Regression to the mean occurs because of the _random_ component in the first measurement. Being in an urban center is not part of the random component - those schools' grades didn't

Re: MA MCAS statistical fallacy

2001-01-12 Thread Eric Bohlman
Robert J. MacG. Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Therefore, I would not expect regression to the mean to be sufficient to explain the observed outcome (in which "practically no" top schools met expectations); and I conclude that the goals may well have been otherwise unreasonable.

mcas

2001-01-12 Thread Paul R Swank
snip The local schools are already being forced to teach to the test. I reviewed my older daughter's science text and thought it was apalling. There would be a 10-page section mediocre discussion of pressure in the ocean and atmosphere, followed by an inane 10-p discussion of pressure in the

Re: MA MCAS statistical fallacy

2001-01-12 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
The school results are presented in a very odd fashion, making it difficult to assess the patterns. http://www.doe.mass.edu/ata/ratings00/SPRPDistribTables.html They are that. Let's try. These data don't look at all like the newspaper story. Here they are, with outcomes given as

Re: MA MCAS statistical fallacy

2001-01-12 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
In my last posting I omitted the "very high" group on the grounds of small size. In case anybody's curious, here's what the plot looks like with those data included (coded as "*"; note that the vertical "error bars" on these would be very wide!) Proportion of schools improved by fewer

Re: mcas

2001-01-12 Thread dennis roberts
At 11:42 AM 1/12/01 -0600, Paul R Swank wrote: snip The local schools are already being forced to teach to the test. AH HA ... THE TEXAS PLAN = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of

Re: MA MCAS statistical fallacy

2001-01-12 Thread Gene Gallagher
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert J. MacG. Dawson) wrote: The school results are presented in a very odd fashion, making it difficult to assess the patterns. http://www.doe.mass.edu/ata/ratings00/SPRPDistribTables.html They are that. Let's try. These data

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2001-01-12 Thread wolfskil
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AW: MA MCAS statistical fallacy

2001-01-12 Thread Werner Wittmann
Hi Dennis et al. The best reference concerning regression to the mean(rtm) is Dave Kenny! Bookmark his homepage: http://nw3.nai.net/~dakenny/kenny.htm (Its an exciting one for still others reason than rtm ) Dave had finalized a book about rtm which he had started to write which the late Don