Re: Are parametric assumptions importat ?

2001-10-18 Thread Glen Barnett
Yes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Glenn Barnett wrote: One n in Glen. > OK, I see what you were getting at - but I still disagree, if it is > understood that we are talking about large samples. Your original comment that I was replying to

Re: Are parametric assumptions importat ?

2001-10-17 Thread Yes
Glenn Barnett wrote: > > But the larger the sample size, the nearer the r.e. will be to the a.r.e., > right? > > That is, the large sample power properties depend on the original > distribution, and the CLT does *not* save you from a bad a.r.e. and again: > > If you're sampling from a distrib

Re: Are parametric assumptions importat ?

2001-10-16 Thread Glen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert J. MacG. Dawson) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Glenn Barnett wrote: > > > > (1) normality is rarely important, provided the sample sizes are > > > largish. The larger the less important. > > > > The a.r.e won't change with larger samples, so I

Re: Are parametric assumptions importat ?

2001-10-16 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Glenn Barnett wrote: > > (1) normality is rarely important, provided the sample sizes are > > largish. The larger the less important. > > The a.r.e won't change with larger samples, so I disagree here. I don't follow. Asymptotic relative efficiency is a limit as sample size

Re: Are parametric assumptions importat ?

2001-10-16 Thread Glen Barnett
"Robert J. MacG. Dawson" wrote: > > Voltolini wrote: > > > > Hi, I am Biologist preparing a class on experiments in ecology including > > a short and simple text about how to use and to choose the most commom > > statistical tests (chi-square, t tests, ANOVA, correlation and regression). > > > >

Re: Are parametric assumptions importat ?

2001-10-15 Thread Michael Prager
Voltolini wrote: > >> Hi, I am Biologist preparing a class on experiments in ecology including > a short and simple text about how to use and to choose the most commom > statistical tests (chi-square, t tests, ANOVA, correlation and regression). > > I am planning to include the idea that testing

Re: Are parametric assumptions importat ?

2001-10-14 Thread Rich Ulrich
On 12 Oct 2001 11:14:54 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lise DeShea) wrote: > Re robustness of the between-subjects ANOVA, I obtained permission from Dr. > Rand Wilcox to copy three pages from his book, "New Statistical Procedures > for the Social Sciences," and place them on a webpage for my student

Re: Are parametric assumptions importat ?

2001-10-12 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 01:44 PM 10/12/01 -0400, Lise DeShea wrote: >I tell my students that the ANOVA is not robust to violation of the equal >variances assumption, but that it's a stupid statistic anyway. All it can >say is either, "These means are equal," or "There's a difference somewhere >among these means,

RE: Are parametric assumptions importat ?

2001-10-12 Thread Wuensch, Karl L
Lise advised "I tell my students that the ANOVA is not robust to violation of the equal variances assumption, but that it's a stupid statistic anyway.  All it can say is either, "These means are equal," or "There's a difference somewhere among these means, but I can't tell you where it is.

Re: Are parametric assumptions importat ?

2001-10-12 Thread Lise DeShea
Re robustness of the between-subjects ANOVA, I obtained permission from Dr. Rand Wilcox to copy three pages from his book, "New Statistical Procedures for the Social Sciences," and place them on a webpage for my students.  He cites research showing that with four groups of 50 observations each and

Re: Are parametric assumptions importat ?

2001-10-12 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 12:59 PM 10/12/01 -0300, you wrote: >While consulting people from depts of statistics about this, a few of them >were arguing that these assumption testing are just a "legend" and that >there is no problem in not respecting them ! note: you should NOT respect any stat expert who says that the

Re: Are parametric assumptions importat ?

2001-10-12 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Voltolini wrote: > > Hi, I am Biologist preparing a class on experiments in ecology including > a short and simple text about how to use and to choose the most commom > statistical tests (chi-square, t tests, ANOVA, correlation and regression). > > I am planning to include the idea that testin