Re: adjusting marks; W. Edwards Deming

2000-02-09 Thread Donald F. Burrill
On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Joe Ward wrote, in response to Robert Knodt's reply to ecwebster: > Good comment, Robert -- > > Perhaps the unidentified writer is a frustrated product of "Non-mastery" > Spelling Education > and is intentionally (or unintentionally) showing the results. > > See BOLD items

Re: adjusting marks; W. Edwards Deming

2000-02-09 Thread Joe Ward
  Robert Knodt writes in response to the message at http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network    (SEE BELOW) ---   Re: adjusting marks; W. Edwards Deming   It would be nice if those sending to the mailing list would clearly identify themselves. It would also be

Re: adjusting marks; W. Edwards Deming

2000-02-08 Thread RCKnodt
It would be nice if those sending to the mailing list would clearly identify themselves. It would also be nice if they used an e-mail address so individuals might send them e-mail directly. Thanks, Dr. Robert C. Knodt 4949 Samish Way, #31 Bellingham, WA 98226 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: adjusting marks; W. Edwards Deming

2000-02-08 Thread Consultantssuck
Dr. Deming Naive? You, sir, are misguided and unfortunately, misinformed of the genius of the master Dr. Shewhart, and his disiple and messenger to the latter half of the 20th century, Dr. Deming. Humans want to do a good job. Dr. Deming was pellucid on this point. People and school fit nicely

Re: adjusting marks; W. Edwards Deming

1999-12-27 Thread Muriel Strand
i would definitely agree that grading and QC are fundamentally and philosophically different in their level and kind of detail, and in the correlation between numbers representing physical measurements and the desired results. however, if he recognized the essential difference in these 2 kinds of

Re: adjusting marks; W. Edwards Deming

1999-12-23 Thread Jim Clark
Hi On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Peter Westfall wrote: > Jim Clark wrote: > > Artificially giving all students (or almost all) the same grade > > does not minimize variation in the underlying trait, achievement, > > in this case. It simply hides the variation so that one does not > > know to what extent o

Re: adjusting marks; W. Edwards Deming

1999-12-22 Thread Peter Westfall
Robert Dawson wrote: > "Learning should be a joy...?" It all depends on what you mean by "should". > If you mean that, given an individual learner it is better that they learn > joyfully than otherwise, sure. But this does not mean that we can or should > refuse to teach anybody who is there

Re: adjusting marks; W. Edwards Deming

1999-12-22 Thread Robert Dawson
"Learning should be a joy...?" It all depends on what you mean by "should". If you mean that, given an individual learner it is better that they learn joyfully than otherwise, sure. But this does not mean that we can or should refuse to teach anybody who is there for some lesser motive than "the

Re: adjusting marks; W. Edwards Deming

1999-12-22 Thread Donald F. Burrill
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, dennis roberts wrote: > this shows how naive deming really was ... > who says learning "should" be a joy? I do, inter alios. > learning is WORK ... and, work is hard. Sure it is. _Real_ work is also fun. > now, some kids really relish the task and chall

Re: adjusting marks; W. Edwards Deming

1999-12-22 Thread dennis roberts
this shows how naive deming really was ... who says learning "should" be a joy? learning is WORK ... and, work is hard. now, some kids really relish the task and challenges ... but many others do not ... should we blame THEM? but, i don't really see what deming has to do with our discussion of

Re: adjusting marks; W. Edwards Deming

1999-12-22 Thread Peter Westfall
Jim Clark wrote: > Artificially giving all students (or almost all) the same grade > does not minimize variation in the underlying trait, achievement, > in this case. It simply hides the variation so that one does not > know to what extent one is minimizing differences in achievement, > and rew