Re: [Edu-sig] editor for children (was Re: explaining functions [Possibly OT])

2004-12-12 Thread Reuben Grinberg
Vi/ vim and emacs are great editors for programmers that have the time to learn all their functionality. However, the learning curve for both of these editors is steep. They are extremely different from anything most students are familiar with (namely Microsoft Word, Notepad, Text Areas in web

RE: [Edu-sig] Brainstorming about January

2004-12-12 Thread Kirby Urner
> And BTW, I meant to be paying Kirby a complement in the post to which I > think you were referring. > > Art > And I took it that way. My reply was meant to be light-hearted: I was alluding to the fact that "squarely" associates with "square" which, from beatnik days, has connoted "uncool"

RE: [Edu-sig] Brainstorming about January

2004-12-12 Thread Kirby Urner
> As far as I know there are a *lot* of graphics-Toolkits for Python out > there. Which of them could be used for this task? What are your > experiences? Do you have significantly faster solutions? > John's graphics.py has a tweak that significantly increases speed, by not refreshing the screen w

RE: [Edu-sig] Re: explaining functions [Possibly OT]

2004-12-12 Thread Kirby Urner
> Writing only small programs is harmful. Students must get the chance to > write medium programs and to refactor them a lot. I think that any > attempt at teaching good style and structure by "here is how you should > write" is futile. > Only by experiencing the hard way how is it to program

RE: [Edu-sig] Brainstorming about January

2004-12-12 Thread Arthur
Gregor writes - > P.S.: Some conversations on the list - e. g. the one following the > posting to which this is a reply - are really difficult to follow for > me, as I'm not using English as a native language. Sometimes there seems > to prevail some strange sort of humour or animosity. If that is

[Edu-sig] [ANN] RUR: a Python Learning Environment (alpha)

2004-12-12 Thread André Roberge
RUR: a Python Learning Environment is a successor of Karel the Robot, PyRobot and Guido van Robot. Its purpose is to provide an environment for beginners, including children, to learn python. (Note that Guido van Robot still exists and has been upgraded recently.) Source for the program (python fil

[Edu-sig] Re: Brainstorming about January

2004-12-12 Thread Lee Harr
Do you have significantly faster solutions? How about pygame, This takes about 2 seconds on my system, That said, I remember implementing this exact algorithm on my Apple II and letting it run for probably an hour to do a 300x200 pixel screen. I thought it was awesome :o)

[Edu-sig] Re: Brainstorming about January

2004-12-12 Thread Lee Harr
As far as I know there are a *lot* of graphics-Toolkits for Python out there. Which of them could be used for this task? What are your experiences? Do you have significantly faster solutions? How about pygame, This takes about 2 seconds on my system, while the tkinter version takes over a minute.

Re: [Edu-sig] PyPy funded

2004-12-12 Thread Nicola Larosa
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > I see reference, via blog at > > http://seanmcgrath.blogspot.com/archives/2004_12_05_seanmcgrath_archive.html > > that the PyPy project has obtained its EU funding. Also reported by the Python Daily URL (2004-12-10, nineth entry): http://www.python

Re: [Edu-sig] Brainstorming about January

2004-12-12 Thread Gregor Lingl
Kirby Urner schrieb: OK, ... === Math & Programming: From Chaos to Python Explore topics in mathematics by writing and modifying programs in a contemporary computer language. Attention: this is a somewhat technical question/contribution (in contrast to the more philosophical ones concerning the de

Re: [Edu-sig] Re: explaining functions [Possibly OT]

2004-12-12 Thread John M. Zelle
Beni Cherniavsky said: >> By far the biggest difficulty I've seen students have is deciding how >> and when to make their own functions. This is exacerbated by the fact >> that in beginning programming you typically only write small programs >> where writing your own functions might not be usef

Re: [Edu-sig] PyPy funded

2004-12-12 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:22:20 EST, Arthur writes: >I see reference, via blog at > >http://seanmcgrath.blogspot.com/archives/2004_12_05_seanmcgrath_archive.h >tml > >that the PyPy project has obtained its EU funding. > >I assume this is new news, not old. But can't get through to the c

[Edu-sig] PyPy funded

2004-12-12 Thread Arthur
I see reference, via blog at http://seanmcgrath.blogspot.com/archives/2004_12_05_seanmcgrath_archive.html that the PyPy project has obtained its EU funding. I assume this is new news, not old. But can't get through to the codespeak site to get the details. At any rate, it is good news. Art