Re: [Edu-sig] K-16 CS/math hybrid

2005-05-08 Thread Kirby Urner
> > Wittgenstein, a hero of mine, was always in the dissenting camp, > > thinking set theory "underpins" arithmetic the way a painted foundation > > supports a painted tower, i.e. it doesn't really. > > Can you say some more about that? I thought Wittgenstein was a > protege of Russell, and chang

Re: [Edu-sig] K-16 CS/math hybrid

2005-05-08 Thread Greg Matheson
On Sun, 08 May 2005, Kirby Urner wrote: > The exalted status of sets in 1960s USA grade school math traces back to > Ivory Tower innovations by Russell/Whitehead et al in the UK, and their > attempt to put arithmetic on a "secure footing" using set concepts. This > footing became even more convol

[Edu-sig] K-16 CS/math hybrid

2005-05-08 Thread Kirby Urner
Interesting thread this, about LISP, encoding data structures and so on. I know Python has a separate module for queues, so I'll have to revisit why i.e. what're its capabilities over and above appending-to-end/popping-from-front of a list. Back to my math thread, in my opinion kids are beset wi

Re: [Edu-sig] Python for CS101

2005-05-08 Thread M Holthouse
I hope you all know this old chestnut has been updated for Python: You shoot yourself in the foot and everything goes so smoothly that you go ahead and shoot yourself in the other foot, then your leg, then your torso, and then your head. http://linux.sgms-centre.com/howto/shootfoot.php At 07:2

Re: [Edu-sig] Python for CS101

2005-05-08 Thread Chuck Allison
JZ> OK, OK, I'm somewhat busted. My background in AI has caused me to become JZ> better in LISP than your average bear, but I would never claim to be a JZ> "real LISP programmer." The absolute truth of the matter is that I once JZ> _was_ a real Prolog programmer. If you really want to expand your

Re: [Edu-sig] Python for CS101

2005-05-08 Thread John Zelle
Arthur wrote: > John writes - > > >>Of course implementing something like a queue which has state >>(side-effects) is not pure functional programming, but real LISP >>programmers don't worry too much about that. > > > John sounds like a real LISP programmer (he's being hiding that from us >

Re: [Edu-sig] Python for CS101

2005-05-08 Thread Arthur
John writes - >Of course implementing something like a queue which has state >(side-effects) is not pure functional programming, but real LISP >programmers don't worry too much about that. John sounds like a real LISP programmer (he's being hiding that from us until now ;) - and I am interpret