Re: [Edu-sig] A case against GUIs in intro CS :-)

2005-06-02 Thread Chuck Allison
Hello Atanas, I agree with this post 100%. GUIs require a fairly good understanding of event loops and OOP. They confuse beginners who have to look at the code as well as the pictures. They are, however, a good example of quality OO design, once the students have a little experience. Thursday, Ju

Re: [Edu-sig] A case against GUIs in intro CS :-)

2005-06-02 Thread Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Arthur > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Radenski, Atanas > > > -Original Message- > > > Behalf Of Bob Noonan > > > > > Th

Re: [Edu-sig] A case against GUIs in intro CS :-)

2005-06-02 Thread Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Radenski, Atanas > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:43 PM > To: Bob Noonan; edu-sig@python.org > Subject: [Edu-sig] A case against GUIs in intro CS :-) > > > > -Original Message- > > Behalf Of

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 22, Issue 26

2005-06-02 Thread John Zelle
I know there've already been a couple responses on this. I've been meaning to reply, but been preoccupied. But I found this post very interesting, and am wondering if more discussion might be in order. Bob Noonan wrote: > Toby Donaldsoon writes: > > >>I've been involved with teaching CS1/CS2 s

[Edu-sig] A case against GUIs in intro CS :-)

2005-06-02 Thread Radenski, Atanas
> -Original Message- > Behalf Of Bob Noonan > The one place where Python is clearly deficient IMHO is in GUI programming. While this might be true, I do not feel it is a problem. The problem is that GUI programming is given significant coverage in most mainstream introductory CS textbook

Re: [Edu-sig] Another loop around

2005-06-02 Thread adDoc's networker Phil
. seems everyone.s overlooking your message's context On 6/2/05, Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > but I'm looping - again.Still looping.But that's probably because it's hard for me to understand how I've come tolive on my own planet.For the largest majority of students - it seems clear to me - a

Re: [Edu-sig] Another loop around

2005-06-02 Thread Scott David Daniels
Kirby Urner wrote: > Arthur: >> For the largest majority of students - it seems clear to me - asking them >> to learn to program, in Python or any other language for that matter, >> would be the single *hardest* thing they have been asked to do in their >> academic careers. You (Arthur) should r

Re: [Edu-sig] Another loop around

2005-06-02 Thread Kirby Urner
Arthur: > For the largest majority of students - it seems clear to me - asking them > to learn to program, in Python or any other language for that matter, > would be the single *hardest* thing they have been asked to do in their > academic careers. Remember our little distinction between learni

[Edu-sig] Another loop around

2005-06-02 Thread Arthur
> but I'm looping - again. Still looping. But that's probably because it's hard for me to understand how I've come to live on my own planet. For the largest majority of students - it seems clear to me - asking them to learn to program, in Python or any other language for that matter, would be th