[Edu-sig] textbooks

Let me just add a couple notes ... I have used Zelle's book for teaching and I think it is great. My students were doing some pretty exciting graphics by week three. One thing I like about it is its size. It has an appropriate amount of material for a single course and is clearly at the intr

Re: [Edu-sig] SIGCSE 2006 - Special Session on Teaching with Python

kirby urner wrote: > On 2/26/06, *Brad Miller* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > Data structures and algorithms may not be exciting (for Kay), but > they are as fundamental to computing as cells are to biology. > > > > I think the goal is to get into these quic

Re: [Edu-sig] SIGCSE 2006 - Special Session on Teaching with Python

Well we are talking about CS courses.  So I hear you reluctantlyagreeing that there this it is appropriately core curricula.  The first 2 words of the title of  Brad's book is 'Problem Solving' - implying  a"means to an ends".  What else?Not really reluctantly.  When learning scuba, it's good to le

Re: [Edu-sig] SIGCSE 2006 - Special Session on Teaching with Python

kirby urner wrote: > A root meaning of 'geek' is circus performer of some kind. Fun observation. Art ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

Re: [Edu-sig] SIGCSE 2006 - Special Session on Teaching with Python

kirby urner wrote: > A root meaning of 'geek' is circus performer of some kind. Sometimes > you need front men and women who rile, provoke, stir things up. Personally I have a "been there, done that" sense on this score. San Francisco 1969, Leary, Kesey and the Merry Pranksters. Visions, vis

Re: [Edu-sig] SIGCSE 2006 - Special Session on Teaching with Python

Do as you will. And the truth is, I think I do understand a lot of whatdrives Kay, which is perhaps why he is such a Moriarty to me. Considering the gap in our technical understandings, I would expect tonot understand a word he says.  The problem is, I think I understandmore of it than I should - t

[Edu-sig] Textbooks

Thanks to all for the discussion. I think I'm going with Zelle, with some Tk handouts for the graphics. Regards to all, Peter Chase Sul Ross State University ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

Re: [Edu-sig] Textbooks

Good choice.I also like courses where no text book is required (in the sense of buying some thick heavy thing made of wood pulp).Publishers are moving to electronic formats.  True, reading on a screen is sometimes a drag.  On the other hand, with 7 billion teachers and students, it's asking too muc

[Edu-sig] Any suggestions about turlte.py

Hello everyone, As a consequence of my complaining about it in my PyCon talk, I have been invited to submit some patches for turtle.py. To my mind, turtle.py should be something that one could actually use for some very simple "programming with graphics" lessons, with NO tweaking or additional

Re: [Edu-sig] Any suggestions about turtle.py

Brad, I agree on both counts. In fact my current implementation does the first already and I was just thinking today about doing the second. Thanks for the suggestions - I'm glad to hear I'm on the right track. Vern Brad Miller wrote: > Vern, > > Thanks for taking this on. I have my student

Re: [Edu-sig] Any suggestions about turlte.py

On 2/27/06, Vern Ceder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > As a consequence of my complaining about it in my PyCon talk, I have > been invited to submit some patches for turtle.py. To my mind, turtle.py > should be something that one could actually use for some very simple > "programmi

Re: [Edu-sig] Any suggestions about turlte.py

Hi, Thank you for taking care of the turtle.py module. Here are tow suggestions. [1] I would suggest a correction of a bug in the fill function of turtle.py. The statement: # self._canvas.lower(item) should be removed. As it is now, it lowers polygons when filled. This causes inco