Re: [Edu-sig] suggestions about turtle.py

2006-03-01 Thread Christian Mascher
Hi all, some years ago I had to teach using a macintosh lab: due to some problems with Tk on mac there was no Idle (and no turtle.py IIRC). That was when I realized how useful the batteries included Idle (-n) together with the old turle.py really was for me. It is my standard graphics

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16

2006-03-01 Thread kirby urner
On 2/28/06, Toby Donaldson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I pointed out in my message, the reason we use turtle graphics isto introduce the idea of functional decomposition and bottom-updevelopment. I have little interest in graphics, personally. Not sure what this means exactly, but I'm sure

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16

2006-03-01 Thread Gregor Lingl
kirby urner schrieb: On 2/28/06, *Toby Donaldson* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I pointed out in my message, the reason we use turtle graphics is to introduce the idea of functional decomposition and bottom-up development. I have little interest in

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16

2006-03-01 Thread kirby urner
I suppose, that this is a misunderstanding. In the logo world ofcomputing with beginners, this means to decompose somewhat complex tastks in tiny peaces and write functions for those, wich thencan be assembled to solve the complex task. This is the ordinarymeaning of bottum-up development.OK, so

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16

2006-03-01 Thread Andre Roberge
On 3/1/06, Gregor Lingl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] There are a few important arguments why not to underestimate the importance of a good turtle module in the Python distribution (out of the box as vern ceder says). 1. Many of us are trying to further the use of Python as a first

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16

2006-03-01 Thread Dethe Elza
Have you (/they) considered something like Guido van Robot, or RUR-PLE? André I think it would be cool to have a simple 2D turtle library which scaled up (maybe via PYRO) to 3D simulated robots, then (again via PYRO) to physical robots. But that won't be part of the standard library, so it's

Re: [Edu-sig] turtle-rurple [Was Digest 31/16]

2006-03-01 Thread Gregor Lingl
Andre Roberge schrieb: On 3/1/06, Gregor Lingl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] ... Have you (/they) considered something like Guido van Robot, or RUR-PLE? When I was younger, in 1986, together with friends I wrote a schoolbook called Werkzeug Computer (Werkzeug=tool). Then I implemented

Re: [Edu-sig] turtle-rurple [Was Digest 31/16]

2006-03-01 Thread Andre Roberge
On 3/1/06, Gregor Lingl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andre Roberge schrieb: On 3/1/06, Gregor Lingl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Have you (/they) considered something like Guido van Robot, or RUR-PLE? When I was younger, in 1986, together with friends I wrote a schoolbook called

Re: [Edu-sig] turtle-rurple [Was Digest 31/16]

2006-03-01 Thread Gregor Lingl
Andre Roberge schrieb: I am *strongly* considering the inclusion of turtle graphics within RUR-PLE. However, since it is based on wxPython instead of Tkinter, I should probably rewrite it almost from scratch (so that I understand it, in any event ;-). Did you know, that there is a

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16

2006-03-01 Thread Toby Donaldson
On 3/1/06, kirby urner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose, that this is a misunderstanding. In the logo world of computing with beginners, this means to decompose somewhat complex tastks in tiny peaces and write functions for those, wich then can be assembled to solve the complex task.

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16

2006-03-01 Thread Jonah Bossewitch
I want to throw out one idea that worked great for me in my initial introduction to cs. In our class our first programs generated simple postscript (ie - turtle graphics) which we then sent to a printer (well, ghostscript first, to save a few trees). By week two we were generating mandlebrot