At 11:50 PM 1/25/2010, David MacQuigg wrote:
Why does the AP test have to be offered in just one language? Why
do we need to make a "tremendous effort" to move teachers from one
language to another? Couldn't every school-district make it's own
choice of language? Do colleges really expect sp
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:50 PM, David MacQuigg
wrote:
> Litvin wrote:
>
>> AP is driven by colleges. The AP exam used to be in C++ until 2003. The
>> current exam has heavy emphasis on OOP. It took a tremendous effort to
>> retrain HS teachers from C++ to Java/OOP... If the college board dec
Litvin wrote:
AP is driven by colleges. The AP exam used to be in C++ until 2003.
The current exam has heavy emphasis on OOP. It took a tremendous
effort to retrain HS teachers from C++ to Java/OOP... If the college
board decided that Python is used at most colleges in intro CS
courses, th
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Litvin wrote:
> At 03:52 PM 1/25/2010, kirby urner wrote:
>>
>> However, if you show the 2 + 2 is adding two objects (2 .__add__(2)
>> the same thing), is that "objects first"?
>
> Yes.
>
OK, I agree. 2 .__add__(2) is pretty esoteric, as is dir (2).
Not everyon
At 03:52 PM 1/25/2010, kirby urner wrote:
However, if you show the 2 + 2 is adding two objects (2 .__add__(2)
the same thing), is that "objects first"?
Yes.
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On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Litvin wrote:
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>
> Me too -- by a factor of two. At least. So what? First language
> discussions flare up regularly on the ap-compsci listserve. In this forum,
> Python would win, of course. :) I am all for Python, but I don't believe in
> the "objects fir
At 11:39 AM 1/25/2010, David MacQuigg wrote:
Is there anything in the current AP test that can't be translated to Python?
Of course not. But AP is driven by colleges. The AP exam used to be
in C++ until 2003. The current exam has heavy emphasis on OOP. It
took a tremendous effort to retra
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Litvin wrote:
> What might this new exam be like? CS with no programming and no math?
> We'll see. My guess is, if it eventually comes about, it will be a
> no-specific-programming-language exam, which will simply replace the current
> AP CS exam in Java. I
Litvin wrote:
At 09:36 AM 1/25/2010, David MacQuigg wrote:
I can't imagine teaching or testing CS without an actual language. A
much better alternative would be to have the same test in multiple
languages (perhaps with a "handicap" factor for the students choosing
Python, so they don't have a
Gary,
Interesting site, ACSL.
Curious, there is no mention of specific languages or freedom of language
the I find quickly on their site. The only hint is the list of languages
given where solutions are given, Is that the actual list of restrictions?
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Litvin wrot
At 09:36 AM 1/25/2010, David MacQuigg wrote:
I can't imagine teaching or testing CS without an actual
language. A much better alternative would be to have the same test
in multiple languages (perhaps with a "handicap" factor for the
students choosing Python, so they don't have an embarrassing
Sounds good to me, David. Good luck putting it over. Maybe after we get 10
million hits on PyWhip?
Andy
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:36 AM, David MacQuigg wrote:
> Litvin wrote:
>
> What might this new exam be like? CS with no programming and no math?
>> We'll see. My guess is, if it eventual
Litvin wrote:
What might this new exam be like? CS with no programming and no
math? We'll see. My guess is, if it eventually comes about, it will
be a no-specific-programming-language exam, which will simply replace
the current AP CS exam in Java. I believe two AP CS exams will be
untenab
At 04:12 AM 1/24/2010, kirby urner wrote:
Some of us have been hoping to interest local community colleges in
serving as venues for these teacher training programs that in some
cases equip math teachers already in the field with some of these
new skills. The idea, as I've posted about already,
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