I’ve had my KX3 for a few months, got it with the KXBC3 charger and clock.
However, the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month. Considering
the cost of the option I would expect it to be a little more reliable... :-P
Has anyone else seen this? Is there an adjustment for drift?
T
, KN1CBR
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Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:34:22 -0600
From: Ken G Kopp
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift
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Virtually everyone has
Looking at the schematic of the KXBC3, the real time clock seems to be a
part of chip PIC24F16KA10.
And a reference to that chip says this:
29.3.9 Calibration
The real-time crystal input can be calibrated using the periodic
auto-adjust feature. When
properly calibrated, the RTCC can
I have noticed the same thing. I was portable and wanted to use the KX3
clock to set my Raspberry Pi's clock I was using for JT65. I was shocked
at how far afield the KX3 time was. I fortunately had downloaded a GPS app
to my smartphone that gave me the GPS system time and this was enough to
get
Wish the KX3 had an actual GPS add on board. It could grab the time, as well as
use the PPS for other things.
-Kevin (KK4YEL)
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of
electrons were terribly inconvenienced !
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 09:48, Brian Waterworth
Mmmm... not JUST the KX3!
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On 8/28/2016 8:52 AM, kevino z wrote:
> Wish the KX3 had an actual GPS add on board. It could grab the time, as well
> as use the PPS for other things.
> -Kevin (KK4YEL)
>
> No trees were kill
I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my sandwiches cool while portable.
Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for use during contest
periods. :-)
73,
Don W3FPR
On 8/28/2016 10:01 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
Mmmm... not JUST the KX3!
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Maybe just buy a $15 wristwatch with a 10 year
battery made by Casio and set it every week or so
? :-)
Phil W7OX
On 8/28/16 7:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my
sandwiches cool while portable.
Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for
use during conte
Virtually everyone has cellphone at hand and it will provide the most
accurate time commonly available.
73!
K0PP
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> I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my sandwiches cool while portable.
> Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for use during contest
> periods. :-)
I would be suprised that even as a joke the listing above could win any
arguments for the extraordinary lack of performance of Elecra
QSL
On 8/28/2016 7:55 AM, Mike Morrow wrote:
Elecraft fans often have a great tendency to dismiss without substantive basis
any non-worshipful criticism...at least as far as I've observed in 16 years as
an owner and list member. :-)
Mike / KK5F
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OTOH, many criticisms have resulted in improvements in the products. Wayne and
Eric are quite capable of tolerating criticism, so owners are more than welcome
to point out any deficiency or problem. That’s why people like Elecraft
products: having the ear of the company.
73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #
I think you overreact a bit, Mike. I can criticize
Elecraft with the best of them if a product does
not do as promised. But nowhere in any spec or
promise have I seen highly accurate time-keeping
-- but perhaps my reading skills fail me with age.
In my shack I have a large LaCrosse clock, upd
Re: "...the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month."
I didn't buy the KXBC3 for the clock, and I don't expect it to automatically
sync with WWV or GPS, but mine seems to be sensitive to applied voltage:
If I leave 14v applied to my KX3, it gains a few seconds per day, probably not
f
>
> Re: "...the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month.”
>
You know a radio must be pretty good when the complaints start drifting off to
how accurate (or not) it is as a timepiece ;-)
Grant NQ5T
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So you think an onboard GPS is absurd, Don?
We can dream... we can dream. :-)
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On 8/28/2016 9:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my sandwiches cool while
> portable.
> Oh, and how about
OK Ken... How do you propose to get that "uber-accurate" time from the
cell phone into the radio?
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On 8/28/2016 9:34 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> Virtually everyone has cellphone at hand and it will provide the most
> accurate
Ditto!
Well, actually, I did once have an accurate (for its day) clock on my receiver,
my HQ-170AC, back in or about 1964 to 1967. Being run by a synchronous motor,
the local power company had the job of keeping my clock accurate (feature of
AGC controlling ACE and Frequency).
But, today, in
No need ... my eyes can view a cellphone as easily as on a radio's display
... maybe easier / quicker if I have to call it up into the display.
(Mine has about a half inch high display.)
That's assuming that the name of the game is simply knowing what time it
is, as opposed to "playing" with a ra
Funnily enough the IC-7300 guys were complaining about the same thing ;-)
73 from David GM4JJJ
> On 28 Aug 2016, at 17:46, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Re: "...the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month.”
>
> You know a radio must be pretty good when the complaints start drift
Mike,
> The manufacturer specs for all the Elecraft RTC chips promise much better.
What Elecraft RTC chips are you referring to? The KXBC3 keeps time using a
PIC microcontroller.
> ... a customer does indeed have every right to expect a competent RTC
> implementation when he purchases the optio
016 6:46 PM
To: Clay Autery ; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift
No need ... my eyes can view a cellphone as easily as on a radio's display
... maybe easier / quicker if I have to call it up into the display.
(Mine has about a half inch high display.)
That's
s I recall it’s in the KX3 Utility as well.
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:34:22 -0600
> From: Ken G Kopp
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift
Never mind... ;-)
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On 8/28/2016 12:46 PM, Rose wrote:
>
> No need ... my eyes can view a cellphone as easily as on a radio's
> display ... maybe easier / quicker if I have to call it up into the
> display. (Mine has abou
Well that's it darn it!
I won't be happy with my radio till there's and actual cesium clock
built in or available as an add on option. That'll make my JT65/JT9
signals hyper accurate...Oh wait...that's the computer clock. I *demand*
while Elecraft is fixing my radio's clock they also offer a f
lector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift
>
> Re: "...the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month.”
>
You know a radio must be pretty good when the complaints start drifting off to
how accurate (or not) it
There is an argument that if a clock is included it should at perform as well
as we expect from other timepieces.
Of course the next step beyond a highly-accurate clock that does not require
resetting is to have the K3S able to use that time, read frequencies and signal
levels, modes, etc., and
You are both correct -- I live about 20 miles from Eric, 3 miles from
K6XX, and know Wayne from many conversations both on and off the
reflector, including several in the bar at ham events. These guys are
VERY clear-eyed observers of the scene, and I've never seen "worship" of
their product lin
I have a Seiko watch that is extremely accurate twice a day! You just
have to know when to look at it.
One day I will put a new battery in it.:-)
73,
Don W3FPR
On 8/28/2016 2:25 PM, Kevin wrote:
Well that's it darn it!
I won't be happy with my radio till there's and actual cesium clock
built
On Sun,8/28/2016 11:12 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote:
I would say a customer has every right to see the schematic.
I think so too, but Elecraft is one of the few mfrs that provides
schematics for most, if not all, of their products.
73, Jim K9YC
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without getting into the configuration
menu. As I recall it’s in the KX3 Utility as well.
Ted, KN1CBR
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Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:34:22 -0600
From: Ken G Kopp
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 cl
blem, though, so maybe someone
from Elecraft can explain it. Then we can all get back to our regularly
scheduled program, which is already in progress!
Dave W7AQK
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From: Don Wilhelm
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift
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I certainly agree with Jim about liking light weight radios. I
take my K3 out 2 or 3 times a year, and being able to easily
carry it is very welcome. My KX3 is a perfect airplane rig.
But the real advantage of the radios, and the K3 in particular,
is their modular construction. When the K3S ca
Re: "$10 wristwatches are accurate to a few seconds per month."
Yep! That is exactly what the original poster was concerned with. You said it
even better than he did. The original poster's KXBC3 clock isn't as accurate
as a $10 wristwatch. Mine isn't either, last time I checked it.
The po
Dave,
Yes, the RTC is an "add-on convenience" item for the rig. It is a nice
thing to have for logging when operating portable (set it before the
outing).
As far as digital modes go, the Elecraft gear offers only PSK and FSK
internally and as far as I know, those are not time critical and l
This may be a redux of what has already been stated but I am a nut
for stability in my radio and my timekeeping. What I have done is
purchased a BG7TBL from faymo-trading.service for $150 from Hong Kong
(fast shipping and the newest version of this GPSDO). He still
apparently is selling them:
And my factory-built K3S. Sometimes I feel like an unpaid beta tester:-) To
Elecraft's credit they almost always* fix it in due time. (I keep a spare radio
on hand just in case)
* still waiting for that VOX/AntiVOX gain setting by mode.
As I write CY9C's RTTY signal is breaking up on the be
It'd draw power and make the radio bigger.
On 8/28/2016 9:58 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
So you think an onboard GPS is absurd, Don?
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Stewart
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 7:29 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift
And my factory-built K3S. Sometimes I feel like an unpaid beta tester:-)
To Elecraft's credit they almo
When you are logging to paper and have the radio clock displayed for the
specific purpose of having a handy UTC clock it's annoying when it's off. The
KXBC3 is marketed as a battery charger and RTC, and I bought it for both.
Erik W1QED
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On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:46 PM, GRANT
In a recent message, "etks...@gmail.com" writes
>When you are logging to paper and have the radio clock displayed for
>the specific purpose of having a handy UTC clock it's annoying when
>it's off. The KXBC3 is marketed as a battery charger and RTC, and I
>bought it for both.
As it turned out no
Ha ha, a little snarky comment-wise, but it's an annoyance, not a deal
breaker... :-)
I was just wondering if it was a one-off issue, and/or if there was a
possibility of correcting the issue in any way.
I've been doing some experimenting with condo patio antennas (hamstick dipole
up a painte
Erik,
If you want to experiment with trimming the oscillator for the clock,
you can try varying the capacitance of C7 and C8 on the KXBC3 option board.
Nominal capacitor values are +/- 5%, so you may be able to find suitable
capacitors that vary a bit from the nominal 15pF value that will set
As a matter of curiosity because I've not looked
into it: Are there any ham transceivers with
on-board GPS receivers?
Phil W7OX
On 8/28/16 9:58 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
So you think an onboard GPS is absurd, Don?
We can dream... we can dream. :-)
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Flexradio offers a GPSDO option for their receivers. It's made by Jackson
Labs (and it isn't cheap):
http://cart.flexradio.com/FLEX-65006700-GPSDO-Upgrade_p_899.html
It's internal to the radio.
On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> As a matter of curiosity because I've not loo
Jackson Labs makes REALLY nice stuff... And THAT is not expensive in
the grand scheme of things... LOTS of GPSDOs et al time/freq standards
costing many multiples of that price... :)
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On 8/28/2016 12:17 PM, Peter Pauly w
I believe that the IC7100 has the facility, but it's an option.
73,
Alan. G4GNX
-Original Message-
From: Phil Wheeler
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 6:06 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS
As a matter of curiosity bec
Hi Phil,
My Kenwood TMD710GA mobile ham transceiver has an onboard GPS receiver,
synchronized realtime clock, AND a packet TNC. Makes a dandy self-contained
APRS system. Granted, it is only for VHF/UHF on the ham bands (no HF). It
also makes it really easy to set the KXBC3 clock in my KX3 ju
HTs, of course. But I meant HF rigs. Sounds like there may be a few.
Phil -- Sent from my iPhone 5S
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 13:10, Bill Gerth wrote:
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> My Kenwood TMD710GA mobile ham transceiver has an onboard GPS receiver,
> synchronized realtime clock, AND a packet TNC. Makes
I wish I would have bought something from them instead of the Leo Bodnar unit.
It seems to be fine but the support is lacking.
On 8/28/2016 11:16 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
Jackson Labs makes REALLY nice stuff... And THAT is not expensive in
the grand scheme of things... LOTS of GPSDOs et al tim
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