Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-20 Thread Edward R Cole
I used on-rush current limiting series resistors on the 240vac input to my 4200 volt transformer and one on the 5v filament of my 8877 amplifier. The filament drew normal 11A, so on-rush was huge. Simple resistor-capacitor time constant timer controlled relay to short out large 50w and 100w

Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-19 Thread CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft
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[Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-19 Thread Andy Durbin
"With switching mode powersupplies (as in the KPA500 and 1500 and most of the solid state amplifiers with ps included) usually no further measures are necessary or would help in that respect as most SMPS have soft start circuits included." KPA500 nominal 60 V PSU is not a switching mode supply.

Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-19 Thread Roger
nthal Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 1:11 PM To: David Wilcox Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500? The simplest circuit, which I added to my TL922, is a relay operated from a DC supply with a capacitor across the coil. The ci

Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-19 Thread Victor Rosenthal
The simplest circuit, which I added to my TL922, is a relay operated from a DC supply with a capacitor across the coil. The circuit can be set up to provide from a fraction of a second to a much longer delay. When the relay is de-energized, a small resistance is inserted in series with the line

Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-19 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
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Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-19 Thread David Wilcox via Elecraft
Guys, This is very interesting. Is there a Wiki site where all your explanations are collected together. I am Interested in the magnetization of the iron in the transformers and the effect of the turn on current phase causing an over magnetization of the iron core and drawing too much current

Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-18 Thread Vic Rosenthal
Just like the 1930s vintage Western Electric at WKOP when I worked there in the early 60s. When you turned it on, it went click-click-click-click BLANG. Two tubes, 12 kV on the plates, about 1 amp plate current for 5 kW output. Victor 4X6GP > On 19 Jan 2020, at 1:45, Fred Jensen wrote: > > 1

Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-18 Thread Fred Jensen
10 KW homebrew FM broadcast TX [not kidding -- KPFK 90.7 Los Angeles in the late 50's, 4 4-1000A's* in parallel driven by a 1 KW stage] had a step-start using mechanical time-delay relays.**  It limited the inrush current to the filter capacitors of the 5.5 KV plate power supply.  It was part o

Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-18 Thread K9MA
On 1/18/2020 12:14 PM, Victor Rosenthal wrote: The power switch in some of those amps like the SB220 or TL922 is highly stressed. T Another cause of high input current is transformer saturation. If the core happened to be fully magnetized in one direction when last turned off, and the AC h

Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-18 Thread Jim Brown
On 1/18/2020 12:14 PM, Victor Rosenthal wrote: The power switch in some of those amps like the SB220 or TL922 is highly stressed. T My late '70s vintage Ten Tec Titan amps include circuity to minimize the turn-on transient, at least some of which is due to charging of the capacitors in the LV

Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-18 Thread Victor Rosenthal
Well, I don't totally agree. The power switch in some of those amps like the SB220 or TL922 is highly stressed. There is a big "thump" sometimes when they are turned on at the right point in the cycle. I also believe that slower application of filament voltage to a 3-500z or similar lengthens t

Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-18 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
..@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Macy monkeys Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 7:42 PM To: Ron Durie Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500? Thanks, Ron! I understand NO, hi! John K7FD On Jan

Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-18 Thread Roger
.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Macy monkeys Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 7:42 PM To: Ron Durie Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500? Thanks, Ron! I understand NO, hi! John K7FD > On Jan 18, 20

Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-18 Thread Macy monkeys
Thanks, Ron! I understand NO, hi! John K7FD > On Jan 18, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Ron Durie wrote: > > NO. Solid state amps do not need inrush protection. 73's > > Ron WB4OOA > Elecraft K-Line > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Ho

Re: [Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-18 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Solid state amps do not require added inrush protection. And most correctly designed tube amps do not need inrush protection.   In cases where the design, usually HB ones, have excessive current capacity in the heater or filament transformer, or in cases where HV transformers have insufficient

[Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-18 Thread Ron Durie
NO. Solid state amps do not need inrush protection. 73's Ron WB4OOA Elecraft K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman

[Elecraft] Ameritron 240V inrush limiter: any benefit on a KPA500?

2020-01-18 Thread Macy monkeys
Does an inrush limiter like the Ameritron ICP-240 offer any benefit to the KPA500? Thanks, John K7FD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elec