Re: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes

2017-05-24 Thread Bill Leonard N0CU
Jim, I apologize: I made a typo in my post. It should have said "...the highest choking IMPEDANCE is usually obtained with an air core choke (coax looped with or without some form like PVC)". Maybe this is an over-statement, but of the few chokes I have tested, air core chokes made with just stand

Re: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes

2017-05-24 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
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Re: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes

2017-05-24 Thread Jim Brown
On Wed,5/24/2017 9:39 AM, Bill Leonard N0CU wrote: Two of the main trade offs are bandwidth and choking impedance. The highest choking BW is usually obtain with an air core choke (coax looped with or without some form like PVC). However, this approach is very high Q, which yields relatively low

Re: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes

2017-05-24 Thread Bill Leonard N0CU
Mike, Wes raises one of the many interesting aspects of balun design, and not surprisingly, one that there doesn't appear to be a consensus on. Two of the main trade offs are bandwidth and choking impedance. The highest choking BW is usually obtain with an air core choke (coax looped with or with

Re: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes

2017-05-23 Thread Wes Stewart
Well, I would prefer one that presented a high resistive impedance with no resonance at all:-) Wes N7WS On 5/22/2017 10:54 PM, Jim Brown wrote: Yes, really. Jim On Mon,5/22/2017 10:15 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: Really? On 5/22/2017 4:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote: Common mode chokes are used ne

Re: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes

2017-05-22 Thread Jim Brown
Yes, really. Jim On Mon,5/22/2017 10:15 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: Really? On 5/22/2017 4:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote: Common mode chokes are used near resonance... __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinf

Re: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes

2017-05-22 Thread Wes Stewart
Really? On 5/22/2017 4:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote: Common mode chokes are used near resonance... __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecr

Re: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes

2017-05-22 Thread Jim Brown
This only works at low frequencies, well below resonance of the choke that you've wound. AND -- it only yields the AL value at low frequencies. Many materials with very different mu and mu' curves have similar low frequency performance. Common mode chokes are used near resonance, which is far

Re: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes

2017-05-22 Thread Don Wilhelm
Mike, You may be over-thinking it. Wrap 10 turns around the core and measure its inductance. From that data, you can calculate the AL value. Match that AL value against a chart of the values for various cores. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/22/2017 9:30 AM, Michael Walker wrote: All I am doing some

Re: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes

2017-05-22 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon,5/22/2017 6:30 AM, Michael Walker wrote: I have a tracking generator, so I am trying to figure out a test jig. Do I just wrap the choke in fleedline, have a common ground and then use the shield of the feedline to feed my signal over looking for the attenuation on the receiving end of th

[Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes

2017-05-22 Thread Michael Walker
All I am doing some work on a box of chokes I received and I am trying to figure out just exactly what mix they are. Since I run a remote station, I choke everything. I know the chokes I buy and what they are, but it is the unknown box that needs testing. I have a tracking generator, so I am tr