Re: WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! (was [Elecraft] ESD recommendation)

2007-11-26 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
David Woolley wrote: In IEE terms, the PME system is TN-C-S. The older system is TN-S. There is a rare configuation (TT), used for rural overhead supplies, where each house has its own earth electrode, but these are not connected to the neutral, which is only earthed at the sub-station. TT i

Re: WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! (was [Elecraft] ESD recommendation)

2007-11-25 Thread David Woolley
Don Wilhelm wrote: residential AC power in the US - All exposed metallic components of the electrical wiring system must be connected to the electrical safety ground. There is an earth ground connection at the service entry point - which is to be the only direct ground point in the system (ye

RE: WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! (was [Elecraft] ESD recommendation)

2007-11-25 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Very true David. "Earthing" to the mains ground is the proper way to do it. If there's a separate ground rod for any reason, such as an RF ground, most codes require that it be connected to the mains earth ground as well. It's worth making sure the mains ground is connected too! I've encountered a

Re: WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! (was [Elecraft] ESD recommendation)

2007-11-25 Thread Don Wilhelm
David, Having to study the National Electrical Code prior to building and wiring my house, I can talk a bit about the safety grounding for residential AC power in the US - All exposed metallic components of the electrical wiring system must be connected to the electrical safety ground. The

RE: WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! (was [Elecraft] ESD recommendation)

2007-11-25 Thread David Woolley
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: That's why a connection to earth ground is recommended and important. It's often pointed out that it doesn't matter if everything is grounded as long as it's at the same potential. That's true, but connections to the earth are usually all around us, often in unexpected pla

Re: WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! (was [Elecraft] ESD recommendation)

2007-11-24 Thread Darrell Bellerive
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell Bellerive > Sent: 24 November 2007 17:12 > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! (was [Elecraft] ESD recommendation) > > What about touching the circuit board pads with my Weller soldering sta

Re: WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! (was [Elecraft] ESD recommendation)

2007-11-24 Thread Nick Waterman
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > To be sure I'm not being fuzzy-headed, I checked the Hakko on my bench and > its tip is certainly connected directly to the mains ground (< 1 ohm). Well, fair point, if you somehow manage to come into contact with 110v AC AND make good contact with the tip of your solderi

RE: WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! (was [Elecraft] ESD recommendation)

2007-11-24 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
: WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! (was [Elecraft] ESD recommendation) Check the resistance to earth - it may have a resistor in series already. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell Bellerive Sent: 24 November 2007 17:12 To: elecraft@mailman.q

RE: WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! (was [Elecraft] ESD recommendation)

2007-11-24 Thread Paul Fletcher
] ESD recommendation) What about touching the circuit board pads with my Weller soldering station that has a grounded tip? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr

RE: WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! (was [Elecraft] ESD recommendation)

2007-11-24 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
That's why a connection to earth ground is recommended and important. It's often pointed out that it doesn't matter if everything is grounded as long as it's at the same potential. That's true, but connections to the earth are usually all around us, often in unexpected places. It's the same as th

Re: WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! (was [Elecraft] ESD recommendation)

2007-11-24 Thread Darrell Bellerive
What about touching the circuit board pads with my Weller soldering station that has a grounded tip? On Friday 23 November 2007 10:52, Gary Hvizdak wrote: > YOU ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY SHOULD NOT GROUND THE CHASSIS while > assembling > > your K3 or anything else that has ESD sensitive componen

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! (was [Elecraft] ESD recommendation)

2007-11-23 Thread Gary Hvizdak
At 07:21:12 EST 2007 on Fri Nov 23, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote ... You need : : * a ESD wire - to connect the rig chassis to your bonding point (some may say this isn't absolutely necessary) -- All, YOU ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY SHOULD NOT GROUND THE CHASSIS while assembling your K3 or

Re: [Elecraft] ESD recommendation

2007-11-23 Thread Bill NY9H
I have had that esd wrist strap and mat for years and the K3 was an obvious place to start using them... bill At 07:51 AM 11/23/2007, Julian G4ILO wrote: On Nov 23, 2007 12:48 PM, Dave G4AON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You must use anti-static precautions. It's foolish to assemble a

Re: [Elecraft] ESD recommendation

2007-11-23 Thread Julian G4ILO
On Nov 23, 2007 12:48 PM, Dave G4AON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You must use anti-static precautions. It's foolish to assemble a $2500 > radio only to damage it for the sake of perhaps $25 worth of anti-static > products. Even I, notorious tightwad that I am, have forked out on an anti-static ma

[Elecraft] ESD recommendation

2007-11-23 Thread Dave G4AON
You must use anti-static precautions. It's foolish to assemble a $2500 radio only to damage it for the sake of perhaps $25 worth of anti-static products. Mats and wrist straps must be tested for continuity before use, a pin through the mat will usually give a good enough connection for a multi-

Re: [Elecraft] ESD recommendation

2007-11-23 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Yes you do have to go to the effort of ESD projection - without it, you may just get lucky and not blow a component - but then you've just waited months for your K3 and why risk it? ESD stuff (like everything else) over in the US is so damn cheap anyway. I can't suggest where to buy - Radio Shack

[Elecraft] ESD recommendation

2007-11-23 Thread Greg - N4CC
Hello all -- Like everyone else I'm looking forward to a K3 showing up sometime before I become a SK...hi hi...(third production run...ugh)...but I'm trying to get prepared so everything will be ready to go when the kit gets here. I don't have any special "ESD" protection and was wondering wha