Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-30 Thread Tom Norris NB5Q
I am reviewing Jim's (K9YC) slides and have gotten to the DC Power Supply (forget the slide #s) . I currently have a Alinco DM-330MV which supplies my needs. However, after looking internally and studying the schematics, there is no way to isolate circuit return (negative) from the chassis case gro

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-24 Thread Edward R Cole
Interesting statement. How did you determine this? I brought home from work my professional service monitor and checked my K3 (SN-4340) s-meter. Except from S0-S1 all other steps were exactly 6-dB. S9 = -73 dBm as advertised. I didn't bother much measuring above S9 so cannot comment on lin

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-24 Thread John Stengrevics
My tower grounds are my house grounds. All hardline is separately grounded though individual rods and tied to the house ground. My transceiver is tied to the house ground. I seriously doubt tying other equipment to that ground will reduce noise levels at all, not to speak of the difficulty of

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-23 Thread Rick Bates, NK7I
And in the meantime, lightning protection helps to reduce the noise and risks of 'everyday' static noise sources like wind, snow, blowing dust and even rain static.  HELPS, not removes. Having (last fall) just installed a basic dissipation system, the difference can be quite startling and can

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-23 Thread Vic Rosenthal
The problems of hum and RF pickup are reduced by simply connecting all the equipment chassis together with low inductance conductors. It’s a safety feature as well, providing a backup to the power cables’ ground conductor, and ensuring that disconnecting a coax jumper won’t suddenly put you in t

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-23 Thread Bill Frantz
I changed the ring terminals on my grounding system to spade lugs for ease of removal. 73 Bill AE6JV On 4/23/20 at 10:27 AM, n...@comcast.net (N4ZR) wrote: I think the answer lies in the ground bus.  I used a 3/4" copper water pipe along the back edge of my desk, with a short pigtail of #2 w

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-23 Thread Randy Lake
Oh yes, I have a K3/P3 Randy N1KWF On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:53 AM Dave Cole wrote: > Hi Randy, > > I rebuilt my shack six years ago, and documented a bit of that. One > part was connecting grounds to the back of the rigs. See: > > https://www.nk7z.net/rebuilding-the-shack/ > > Look at a few

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-23 Thread Randy Lake
Ok. I am sure I will get the wrath of God for going in this direction but here we go. I was licensed in 91 and have put together 2 average so contest stations with no grounds. None what so ever except power grounds. I have a bunch of equipment, not intentionally interconnected, that has had no issu

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding, question for K9YC.

2020-04-23 Thread Dave Cole
That explains it perfectly Jim, thanks!!! 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources On 4/23/20 10:47 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On 4/23/2020 7:23 AM, Dave Cole wrote: In looking at your slid

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-23 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/23/2020 7:27 AM, N4ZR wrote: I used a 3/4" copper water pipe along the back edge of my desk, with a short pigtail of #2 wire to the K3. #2 ? That's FAR larger than needed for bonding inside the shack. Also, remember that lightning is an RF event, not a DC event, so inductance dominat

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding, question for K9YC.

2020-04-23 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/23/2020 7:23 AM, Dave Cole wrote: In looking at your slides, slide 105, (thanks for sharing the presentation BTW), it strikes me that the coax cable braid running between radio/amp/tuner/antenna panel, would act as a bonding connection, so I would not need to add a large wire between those

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-23 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/23/2020 6:11 AM, Randy Farmer wrote: I'm attempting to follow Jim's advice (see slides 91 through 113 in his Grounding and Audio presentation referenced below). Hi Randy, In my station, I use crimp lugs that fit under chassis screws. Stranded wire works fine. When bonding in a string bet

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-23 Thread donovanf
] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding I think the answer lies in the ground bus. I used a 3/4" copper water pipe along the back edge of my desk, with a short pigtail of #2 wire to the K3. I used a yellow-jacketed Home Depot ring terminal on both ends of the #2, and metal-tapping screws to connect t

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-23 Thread Buck
Poke a hole in the braid and sandwich it between two large washers. Or drill a hole in strap and sandwich that. You can then put multiple holes in the strap to connect other wires. I wish Elecraft had larger ground lugs. k4ia, Buck K3s# 11497 Honor Roll 8B DXCC EasyWayHamBooks.com On 4/23/

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-23 Thread N4ZR
I think the answer lies in the ground bus.  I used a 3/4" copper water pipe along the back edge of my desk, with a short pigtail of #2 wire to the K3.  I used a yellow-jacketed Home Depot ring terminal on both ends of the #2, and metal-tapping screws to connect to the bus. 73, Pete N4ZR Check

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding, question for K9YC.

2020-04-23 Thread Dave Cole
Jim, In looking at your slides, slide 105, (thanks for sharing the presentation BTW), it strikes me that the coax cable braid running between radio/amp/tuner/antenna panel, would act as a bonding connection, so I would not need to add a large wire between those items. Is this correct? If no

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-23 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
I use thin, flat, copper strips. I use a paper punch to make neat holes in them. You can stack a whole bunch of them on a terminal. They are a little fragile, but you don't have to mess with them often. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 23

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-23 Thread Dave Cole
Hi Randy, Thanks for the info! Upon reflection, I will be following Jim's slide 105. 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources On 4/23/20 6:11 AM, Randy Farmer wrote: Thanks for the i

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-23 Thread Randy Farmer
Thanks for the info, Dave. Your approach works fine IF you're using the ground bar ground technique. I'm attempting to follow Jim's advice (see slides 91 through 113 in his Grounding and Audio presentation referenced below). For this, you need bond wires between the individual boxes in the stat

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-23 Thread Dave Cole
Hi Randy, I rebuilt my shack six years ago, and documented a bit of that. One part was connecting grounds to the back of the rigs. See: https://www.nk7z.net/rebuilding-the-shack/ Look at a few of the photos. One shows a large copper ring terminal, which will fit a K3, etc., and how it was

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-23 Thread Randy Farmer
I'm currently in the process of wiring up my new station and I happen to be working on the equipment bonding phase for my pair of K3s SO2R station. I'm doing my best to get decent connectivity between the station components, but can't really figure out how to terminate large (AWG 10) wire to th

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-20 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/20/2020 6:08 PM, Tom Norris NB5Q wrote: I'm asking what method and attachment point, to each piece of equipment, you experienced K-Line owners use to bond the K3s, P3, SP3, etc. and then on to the station ground. I use wires soldered to screw lugs, making sure that the attachment point is

[Elecraft] Elecraft K3s, etc. bonding

2020-04-20 Thread Tom Norris NB5Q
I don't want to re-invent the wheel so I'm asking what method and attachment point, to each piece of equipment, you experienced K-Line owners use to bond the K3s, P3, SP3, etc. and then on to the station ground. I have Thank you, Tom NB5Q