Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB - Is the 5 pole filter good enough

2008-02-24 Thread Barry N1EU
Bill raises a good point that I should've mentioned and which catches me up occasionally. You have to take the DSP out of the picture by telling the K3 that the bandwidth of your 2.7Khz filter is wider. Unless you do that, you'll be looking at the dsp filter and not the xtal filter, and you'll n

Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB - Is the 5 pole filter good enough

2008-02-24 Thread Bill W4ZV
Barry N1EU wrote: > > Bill, I think the 2.9Khz bandwidth measurements for that filter were taken > at r.f. - for whatever reason, that bandwidth is not translating into a.f. > - I've seen a.f. measurements done on about 5 samples of the 2.7Khz filter > and they all run several hundred hertz nar

Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB - Is the 5 pole filter good enough

2008-02-24 Thread Barry N1EU
I figured out the bandwidth issue at a.f. - it's due to low pass filtering inherent in the current dsp code. If you shift the center freq up from default 1.6Khz to 1.75Khz, you will indeed see 2.9Khz a.f. bandwidth at the -6dB points. You'll lose a bit of the low end response however. 73, Barry

Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB - Is the 5 pole filter good enough

2008-02-24 Thread Barry N1EU
I've received several inquiries about the software used - as I indicated, it's called "SpectraPlus". Unfortunately it's not freebie software. 73, Barry N1EU Barry N1EU wrote: > > My SpectraPlus plots are viewable at > http://www.n1eu.com/images/K3_2700usb_lsb.gif > -- View this message i

Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB - Is the 5 pole filter good enough

2008-02-24 Thread Barry N1EU
Bill, I think the 2.9Khz bandwidth measurements for that filter were taken at r.f. - for whatever reason, that bandwidth is not translating into a.f. - I've seen a.f. measurements done on about 5 samples of the 2.7Khz filter and they all run several hundred hertz narrower than the 2.9Khz figure.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB - Is the 5 pole filter good enough

2008-02-24 Thread John A. McCabe
Wow, that is dramatically different then what I am getting. Here is the response I am getting using a bandwidth setting of 0 to 6000: http://mysite.verizon.net/respk8uz/k3/id1.html I am open to any suggestions, I have tried changing FL FRQ and re-calibrating the synthesizer. 73, John, KD8K

Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB - Is the 5 pole filter good enough

2008-02-24 Thread Barry N1EU
My SpectraPlus plots are viewable at http://www.n1eu.com/images/K3_2700usb_lsb.gif LSB is the acqua trace and USB yellow As you can see, they're very close and both fairly flat in the passband. RX EQ was zeroed for the measurements and config menu FL FRQ setting was adjusted for best match be

Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB - Is the 5 pole filter good enough

2008-02-24 Thread Bill W4ZV
Stewart G3RXQ wrote: > > > On USB the trace was substantially flat with the -3dB points at > 430Hz and 2.77KHz. Not too bad and could probably be improved by > moving the carrier offset frequency. > > One more point. The -3 dB bandwidth you are reporting is only 2.34 kHz on a filter that i

Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB - Is the 5 pole filter good enough

2008-02-24 Thread Bill W4ZV
Stewart G3RXQ wrote: > > Having run a quick test switching between USB and LSB on a quiet > band 10m, I noticed an appreciable difference in the tone of the > noise spectrum. > > I dug out my noise generator and examined the audio response using > Spectrum Lab. I set the DSP B/W to the maximum

Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB - Is the 5 pole filter good enough

2008-02-24 Thread John A. McCabe
>On USB the trace was substantially flat with the -3dB points at 430Hz and 2.77KHz. Not too bad >and could probably be improved by moving the carrier offset frequency. >On LSB, however the trace was far from flat having a slope from audio LF to HF of about 6dB. >Not very good at all... >I wonde

Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB - Is the 5 pole filter good enough

2008-02-24 Thread AD6XY - Mike
That is very useful information Stuart. As a VHF operator I do not care about the LSB response, but I do care very much about USB. I think for most SSB use the 5 pole filter will be fine. SSB operating is not like CW, filter shape factor is less important as you can't operate within a filter band

Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB - Is the 5 pole filter good enough

2008-02-24 Thread Barry N1EU
Stewart G3RXQ wrote: > > On USB the trace was substantially flat with the -3dB points at > 430Hz and 2.77KHz. Not too bad and could probably be improved by > moving the carrier offset frequency. > > On LSB, however the trace was far from flat having a slope from > audio LF to HF of about 6dB.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB - Is the 5 pole filter good enough

2008-02-24 Thread John A. McCabe
Hi Stewart, Although I have not ran all the tests you did, I also noticed that there is a significant difference in tone response between LSB and USB. I also tried adjusting FL FRQ with about the same results as you got. My 5 pole 2.7 filter does not seem to have a very flat response. I have

[Elecraft] K3 SSB - Is the 5 pole filter good enough

2008-02-24 Thread Stewart Baker
Having run a quick test switching between USB and LSB on a quiet band 10m, I noticed an appreciable difference in the tone of the noise spectrum. I dug out my noise generator and examined the audio response using Spectrum Lab. I set the DSP B/W to the maximum as what I wanted to see was the 2.7KHz