Re: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-24 Thread Barry
Fred, If set correctly, there's no difference. However, FSK is foolproof. It can't be overdriven with excessive audio input resulting in excess bandwidth and spurs. Some of it is historical, as in some older radios, narrow filters cannot be used in AFSK mode. Barry w2UP -- View this message

Re: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-24 Thread Wes (N7WS)
FSK might not have excess bandwidth, but AFSK can have narrower bandwidth. http://www.frontiernet.net/~aflowers/k3rtty/k3rtty.html#K3_AFSK_filter On 3/24/2014 5:27 AM, Barry wrote: Fred, If set correctly, there's no difference. However, FSK is foolproof. It can't be overdriven with

Re: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-24 Thread Fred Jensen
Well ... I'm not sure FSK is actually foolproof, based on the number of posts to this list about problems getting FSK running using various external interfaces. It is true that AFSK is Audio in/out and can overdrive things, not easy in a K3 but certainly possible. Even cheap sound cards

Re: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-24 Thread Jim Brown
On 3/24/2014 5:30 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: Even cheap sound cards deliver essentially pure sine wave audio, Not quite. I've measured audio distortion at -30dB re: carrier for a reasonably OK laptop sound card just below clip. That means you have spurs only 30 dB below your signal. Not very

Re: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-23 Thread Barry
Wes (N7WS) wrote No comparison. IMHO, wasted effort by Elecraft Engineering. Wes N7WS Not at all a wasted effort. I used to be an active RTTY DXer (RTTY DXCC TOHR, all but BS7) and contester, but in my condo QTH, I just don't have the room or desire for a rat's nest of cables to external

Re: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-23 Thread Ray Sills
I have to agree with Barry. For a modest amount of code space (Flash RAM), they added a very useful capability for the casual or field operator. I once worked a DX RTTY station via FSK-D mode with paddle keyboard. I could not have done that QSO any other way at that time. The QSO was

Re: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-23 Thread Wes (N7WS)
Congratulations on your achievement; very impressive. But what rat's nest of cables to external boxes? Sure you need a computer, but who doesn't log using one these days? After that, it's two cables from the Line In/Line Out of the radio to the same on the computer. Same number of cables

Re: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-23 Thread Barry
Wes, I'm not an AFSK fan, so it would be another COM port for FSK/PTT plus a box with a couple of 2N's for the FSK and PTT lines. I'm satisfied with my pre-programmed Mx buffers with callsign, 599, TU, etc. for the few RTTY QSOs I make these days. 73, Barry W2UP P.S. I don't use a straight

Re: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-23 Thread Fred Jensen
Yes, the K3 certainly allows a multitude of modes, and within each mode, several ways of doing it. I'd really like to know ... no hidden aspersions here ... what the difference is between direct FSK and AFSK. I use AFSK with two RadioShack stereo cables between the laptop and the radio.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-22 Thread Jim Brown
On 3/21/2014 9:05 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: No comparison. IMHO, wasted effort by Elecraft Engineering. My observations have been exactly thee opposite. I find that when I have a RTTY signal carefully tuned in, the K3 decoder often beats MMTTY. The carefully tuned part is critical, and I find

Re: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-22 Thread Bill Frantz
The P3 works really well for tuning RTTY signals for the K3 to decode. Adjust the Span so you can easily see both frequencies and lay the band on top of the waterfall. Cheers - Bill, AE6JV (who would be in a world of hurt without the P3) On 3/21/14 at 11:07 PM, j...@audiosystemsgroup.com

[Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-21 Thread Jim Hoge
Greetings, I have played just a bit with the rtty via cw function of the K3 and am curious if my casual observations match those of others. It appears that the K3 onboard decoder takes a back seat in rtty decode ability to a radio/computer/mtty combination. Agree/disagree/thoughts? 73, Jim

Re: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-21 Thread Wes (N7WS)
No comparison. IMHO, wasted effort by Elecraft Engineering. Wes N7WS On 3/21/2014 8:45 AM, Jim Hoge wrote: Greetings, I have played just a bit with the rtty via cw function of the K3 and am curious if my casual observations match those of others. It appears that the K3 onboard decoder

Re: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-21 Thread Phil Wheeler
But handy in a portable rig. Phil -- Sent from my iPhone 5S On Mar 21, 2014, at 9:05, Wes (N7WS) w...@triconet.org wrote: No comparison. IMHO, wasted effort by Elecraft Engineering. Wes N7WS On 3/21/2014 8:45 AM, Jim Hoge wrote: Greetings, I have played just a bit with the rtty

Re: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-21 Thread Brian Hunt
I've found the K3 decode is adequate for casual contacts like W1AW/x when I find them. Tuning is a bit touchy and the incoming signal needs to be strong. Good for a quickie, though. I use the paddle for xmit. 73, Brian, K0DTJ I have played just a bit with the rtty via cw function of the K3

Re: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-21 Thread Dave Barr
More like the rumble seat. Dave, K2YG Original message: From: Jim Hogeknowk...@verizon.net To: Elecraft Reflectorelecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode I have played just a bit with the rtty via cw function of the K3 and am curious if my casual

Re: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode

2014-03-21 Thread Bill Breeden
would feel the same way if I didn't have a P3. I find the P3 an almost indispensable tuning indicator for the digital modes. 73, Bill - NA5DX Original message: From: Jim Hogeknowk...@verizon.net To: Elecraft Reflectorelecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 rtty decode vs: computer decode