Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-30 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Jim, If YOU want to use PTT to control your switching please do. But do not insist that the other 99% of operators who don't use it. For them, VOX works just fine. VOX is a PITA in a great many environments - for a variety of reasons. It just plain won't work in a multi-multi with other

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-30 Thread Igor Sokolov
Hi Jim, First, in my experience 8msec delay is THE ONLY point if we speak about TX delay. Any setting above 8 msec makes CW choppy. This subject was discussed here some time ago. It has been checked here on 4 different K3s and they are all the same. Second, I do not insist on anything. I have

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-30 Thread Jim Brown
On 8/30/2012 9:01 AM, Igor Sokolov wrote: First, in my experience 8msec delay is THE ONLY point if we speak about TX delay. Any setting above 8 msec makes CW choppy. That is certainly true with QSK and QRO. I like to run QRO as much as the next guy, BUT many EU contesters work too fast for

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-30 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/30/2012 7:04 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: VOX is a PITA in a great many environments - for a variety of reasons. It just plain won't work in a multi-multi with other operators all around. Joe, Please look again at the SUBJECT LINE in this thread. It is about DIGITAL MODES. I agree with

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-30 Thread Igor Sokolov
Please go back and look at the SUBJECT line in this thread. It is about DIGITAL MODES. :) We're talking RTTY, PSK, FSK, JT65, Olivia, etc. The only one of those that is a contesting mode is RTTY. I use VOX for all of them, with no issues, because I don't have any gear with slow relays.

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-30 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Jim, Please look again at the SUBJECT LINE in this thread. It is about DIGITAL MODES. Even in DIGITAL MODE I would not trust anything *except* hardware PTT (e.g. RTS to a transistor/optical isolator switch) preferably with an external hardware time-out timer - particularly with computer

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-30 Thread Bill Frantz
I use VOX with computer digital modes (primarily PSK). I have thought of hooking up PTT, but the only problem I have with VOX is remembering to turn it off when I switch to SSB or FM. With no serious problems with VOX, implementing PTT barely reaches the bottom of my long list of projects.

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-30 Thread Jim Brown
On 8/30/2012 11:04 AM, Igor Sokolov wrote: Still interesting what is the percentage of those using VOX instead of PTT. Just curious. So far, if we count you, me and Joe the score is 66% in favour of PTT :) The important thing is that each operator can make his/her own choice based on

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-29 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/28/2012 9:36 AM, Barry LaZar wrote: The real issue is amplifier turn on timing. And the switching of relays for mast-mounted preamps used in serious VHF/UHF stations. As I don't use an amplifier as QRO to me is a 100 Watts. I can't address the issue from experience. However, I

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-29 Thread k3ndm
: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes On 7/28/2012 9:36 AM, Barry LaZar wrote: The real issue is amplifier turn on timing. And the switching of relays for mast-mounted preamps used in serious VHF/UHF stations. As I don't use an amplifier as QRO to me is a 100 Watts. I can't address

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-29 Thread Igor Sokolov
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 3:56:28 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes On 7/28/2012 9:36 AM, Barry LaZar wrote: The real issue is amplifier turn on timing. And the switching of relays for mast-mounted preamps used in serious VHF/UHF stations. As I don't use

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-29 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/29/2012 12:20 PM, Igor Sokolov wrote: I had to build small circuit that makes use of inhibit signal in my K3 to extend rigid 8 ms built into K3 although it would be more logical to have programmable TX delay built into the transceiver. Hi Igor, First, I suspect we may have a language

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-28 Thread Holger Schurig
What do you mean with Pin 1 problem ? On SUB-D-25 pin 1 is shield, so I guess you refer to shielding/ground loop problems? The now much more common SUB-D-9 only has data ground, on pin 5... and pin 1 there is DCD. __ Elecraft mailing

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-28 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Pin 1 problem refers to an issue originally identified in professional and broadcast audio equipment where pin 1 of the XLR connector was not connected directly to the shielded case *at the connector* but instead connected to the circuit common elsewhere in the device in question. On SUB-D-25

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-28 Thread Barry LaZar
your characterization is a bit off. 73, Barry K3NDM - Original Message - From: Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 4:32:59 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes Signalink USB is nothing more

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-28 Thread Barry LaZar
...@subich.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 4:32:59 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes Signalink USB is nothing more than a repackaged $10 USB audio dongle. It does not provide any USB to serial functions and no access to TxD, RxD, DTR

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-28 Thread Wes Stewart
Although I respect the comments from the experts (and Lance and I worked on two-meters thirty years ago) I must say that I use a Signallink on HF RTTY running a K3 and a venerable Drake L-4B without issue. If I was still on EME then of course I would have the full sequenced keying hardware. 

[Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-27 Thread Lance Collister, W7GJ
Knowing that there are a number of KX3 owners who are interested in an computer interface that does not rely on VOX mode to transmit CW or digital modes from the computer, I have outlined the interface that I am using here: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/KX3.htm Good luck and happy DXing!

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-27 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/27/2012 11:57 AM, Lance Collister, W7GJ wrote: I have outlined the interface that I am using here: Looks like a great solution, Lance. Just enough, not overkill. Thanks for posting. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-27 Thread Barry LaZar
Tigertronics is peddling the SignaLink. I've been using it for a long time on my TS-50 with the idea to use it on my KX3. I checked last night and found that they have the cables and the KX3 jumper plug. I've really been happy with this unit and suggest that you have a look. I paid $100 which

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-27 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Signalink USB is nothing more than a repackaged $10 USB audio dongle. It does not provide any USB to serial functions and no access to TxD, RxD, DTR, RTS. Lance specifically needed TxD and RxD for computer logging and RTS for advanced PTT. The alternative to the WestMountain Radio Nomic is a

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-27 Thread Holger Schurig
I wonder why so many designs talk about the Microphone input on the PC. Is a Line in that uncommon? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
With the rush by hams to using laptops for their ham station (lack of room is an often cited reason), they will find no Line-in - only mic-in, and that mic-in is not stereo either. While I believe that a desktop computer sitting under the operating table with real serial ports and real

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-27 Thread Jim Miller
It has become increasingly common to do jack sensing and provide MIC/LINEIN on the same input. Check your laptop specs to see if it's offered. jim ab3cv __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-27 Thread k3ndm
, W4TV li...@subich.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 4:55:31 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes I wonder why so many designs talk about the Microphone input on the PC. Is a Line in that uncommon

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-27 Thread k3ndm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes Signalink USB is nothing more than a repackaged $10 USB audio dongle. It does not provide any USB to serial functions and no access to TxD, RxD, DTR, RTS. Lance specifically needed TxD and RxD for computer logging and RTS

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-27 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
your characterization is a bit off. 73, Barry K3NDM - Original Message - From: Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 4:32:59 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes Signalink USB is nothing more than

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-27 Thread Lance Collister, W7GJ
@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 4:32:59 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes Signalink USB is nothing more than a repackaged $10 USB audio dongle. It does not provide any USB to serial functions and no access to TxD, RxD, DTR, RTS. Lance specifically

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Computer Interface for digital modes

2012-07-27 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/27/2012 6:03 PM, Lance Collister, W7GJ wrote: If I had a dime for every EMEe'r who was had troubles created by trying to use a Signalink, In addition to the deficiencies Joe and Lance have noted, the Signalink also has Pin One problems, which are a well known cause of RFI, hum, and buzz.